RWBY

[Asura]

Robeatics said
Am I the only one who was kinda grossed out over Neptune basically preparing to pass Weiss over to Jaune as if she was his to just sort of hand off? And Jaune saying "Oh you should care for how girls feel!" But then turning around and not listening to Weiss when she explicitly says she's not interested in him? Do you think that scene on the balcony was supposed to be portraying Jaune as hypocritical and that it's gonna bite him in the ass later, or...?

I was a bit 'meh' with Neptune's behavior, but he's always been kind of sleazy.

I don't think it was supposed to portray him as hypocritical at all. I think it was meant to portray him as coming to terms with Weiss not feeling anything for him and doing what he could to at least try and make her happy (by giving Neptune the advice Pyrrha had given him)

Scene also seemed to exist to have Jaune finally get that Pyrrha is into him.

[Kidd]

Robeatics said
Am I the only one who was kinda grossed out over Neptune basically preparing to pass Weiss over to Jaune as if she was his to just sort of hand off? And Jaune saying "Oh you should care for how girls feel!" But then turning around and not listening to Weiss when she explicitly says she's not interested in him? Do you think that scene on the balcony was supposed to be portraying Jaune as hypocritical and that it's gonna bite him in the ass later, or...?

No, I agree 100%. I really didn't like the "you can have her," line, as if she was the last cookie on the plate. That whole scene grossed me out and honestly made me feel a little uncomfortable.

I feel like RT is trying to make Jaune a sympathetic character and I think it's unfortunate that they way they're going about it is actually working with a lot of the audience. Like I said before, I'm sick of hearing "poor Jaune." He should have handled Weiss' rejection the way Weiss handled Neptune's and just backed off--that would've had me feeling bad for him and created a truly sympathetic character. More like poor Weiss for having to deal with these guys. So no, that scene was not supposed to make Jaune look like a hypocrite. It was supposed to make him seem like an okay-guy (and I guess it worked through the male gaze--but Idk)?

And Jaune doesn't come off to me as someone who would have "seven sisters" according to canon. I personally expected him to have an older brother or two who don't know how to treat women with respect yet he still looks up to them. Because that explains the behavior better, imo.

[Flamelord]

Yeah, that'd be one of the...less, enjoyable aspects of Neptune's personality, which I assume is based in "Cool guys don't care,' or at least pretend they don't.

But yeah, I got a lot of hypocrisy coming out in that episode in general. As Nora said, people need to 'practice what they preach', and there hasn't been a whole lot of that going on.

[Foster]

Neptune is just vain.

Also, Jaune *DID* finally back-off when he thought Weiss was happier without him, he just went into silent-berserker-mode when he found-out she was not in fact happy (and confronted Neptune for it). For a person who just recently discovered his spine about 9 chapters ago, this says ALOT about how much he cares about Weiss's well-being.
-I predict he will make efforts to avoid antagonizing Weiss in future chapters.

Afterwards, he wasn't after Weiss at all (that or I missed it because I'm still trying to block Jaune in a dress).

In short, Jaune is slowly pulling his head out from under his own ass.

[Asura]

Foster said
Neptune is just vain.Also, Jaune *DID* finally back-off when he thought Weiss was happier without him, when he found-out she was not in fact happy (and confronted Neptune for it). For a person who just recently discovered his spine about 9 chapters ago, this says ALOT about how much he cares about Weiss's well-being.-I predict he will make efforts to avoid antagonizing Weiss in future chapters.Afterwards, he wasn't after Weiss at all (that or I missed it because I'm still trying to block Jaune in a dress).In short, .

Dis guy knows.

[Flamelord]

9 chapters, it's been about a semester and at least a couple weeks since the show started in universe, I can imagine there have been many...interesting attempts in that period.

[Foster]

Flamelord said
9 chapters, it's been about a semester and at least a couple weeks since the show started in universe, I can imagine there have been many...interesting attempts in that period.

To be fair, Weiss gives off quite a few mixed signals.

[Kidd]

Foster said
To be fair, Weiss gives off quite a few mixed signals.

??? All she's ever expressed to Jaune has been distaste and rejection. There's nothing "mixed" about "no."

[Robeatics]

Kidd said
No, I agree 100%. I really didn't like the "you can have her," line, as if she was the last cookie on the plate. That whole scene grossed me out and honestly made me feel a little uncomfortable. I feel like RT is trying to make Jaune a sympathetic character and I think it's unfortunate that they way they're going about it is actually working with a lot of the audience. Like I said before, I'm sick of hearing "poor Jaune." He should have handled Weiss' rejection the way Weiss handled Neptune's and just backed off--that would've had me feeling bad for him and created a truly sympathetic character. More like poor Weiss for having to deal with these guys. So no, that scene was supposed to make Jaune look like a hypocrite. It was supposed to make him seem like an okay-guy (and I guess it worked through the male gaze--but Idk)?And Jaune doesn't come off to me as someone who would have "seven sisters" according to canon. I personally expected him to have an older brother or two who don't know how to treat women with respect yet he still looks up to them. Because that explains the behavior better, imo.

Yes, yes, yes. I found it really implausible that Jaune could have seven sisters and not know how to handle women expertly. If they're mostly older sisters, I'm sure he would have been around to hear horror stories about creepy guys or girls who wouldn't leave them alone, surely he'd learn from that! Right? I mean, unless his sisters are all very distant. But then how would he dance so well under the excuse that he has many sisters?

Foster, I hope you're spot-on. :C

[Foster]

Robeatics said
Yes, yes, yes. I found it really implausible that Jaune could have seven sisters and not know how to handle women expertly. If they're mostly older sisters, I'm sure he would have been around to hear horror stories about creepy guys or girls who wouldn't leave them alone, surely he'd learn from that! Right? I mean, unless his sisters are all very distant. But then how would he dance so well under the excuse that he has many sisters?Foster, I hope you're spot-on. :C

Unless his sisters have *really* bad taste in men.
-And they could be in-laws.

He could be emulating the men he's seen having the most 'success' at impressing his sisters, based on how much they talk of them.
-Which if you follow the Ben Franklin playboy-handbook ('bro-code), yes, it works (provided they think positive).

It is a tad hypocritical to call any Weiss/Ruby hate/adore-to-respect/respect ship-development as character development (despite setbacks) and how Juane is trying to figure out how non-incest relations work as anything else.

[Kidd]

Foster said
Unless his sisters have *really* bad taste in men.
-And they could be in-laws.

It still doesn't make sense. If they have "really" bad taste in men, he'd definitely know how not to act. I'm sure Jaune has some heard some horror stories about men, which makes his behavior even worse, imo. Not better explained or accounted for.

If they're in-laws, they're still close enough to teach him how to dance, so why wouldn't he be close enough to care about what kind of men they're with?

He could be emulating the men he's seen having the most 'success' at impressing his sisters, based on how much they talk of them.
-Which if you follow the Ben Franklin playboy-handbook ('bro-code), yes, it works (provided they think positive).

I doubt he's hanging around these guys while his sisters are flirting with them. I reeeally doubt it. And honestly, your theories are making him sound worse and worse, lol. "Well I didn't like the way that guy was hitting on my sister, but she eventually said yes, so maybe it'll work with Weiss!!"

I'm not trying to sound rude, but I just disagree with Monty's / RT's ideas of development and psychology. It just makes absolute no sense for Jaune to act around Weiss the way he does when he has seven sisters. Dudes with one sister have a better idea how to treat women.

It is a tad hypocritical to call any Weiss/Ruby hate/adore-to-respect/respect ship-development as character development (despite setbacks) and how Jaune is trying to figure out how non-incest relations work as anything else.

Ruby and Weiss got their issues and misunderstandings solved in a week. Multiple issues, I might add. Jaune took more than a whole semester to figure out what the hell a simple "no" means. And that's just not appealing in a boy, man, or anything. For a lot of women (myself included), the most off-putting thing in a guy is not accepting "no means no." So Jaune just was painted in a non-appealing light for a lot of people.

So no, I don't agree it's hypocritical. Ruby-Weiss character building was relatable and made sense for the overall story . Jaune's persistence was uncomfortable and spun to make him look sympathetic, which is what's extremely unfortunate it.

[Foster]

Having a look....

We have a guy like Neptune, who is shallow enough to drop a date without explanation or apology, for fear of being embarrassed.
-Jaune gives Neptune a good scolding and then Neptune decides to resume his date with Weiss.

And Juane, a hold-out that is being told 'No' without explanation, because Weiss felt embarrassed to be seen hanging-out with an under-achiever (be it Juane or Ruby).

It seems Monty's angle isn't quite so much Juane, as much as trying to figure out why Weiss says 'No.' so often.... even to bunk-beds.

Not defending Juane, because he's too super-ridiculously-dense to justify defending (almost to the same level as Caboose). Either way, what Juane does have going for him, is persistence despite adversity; being able to put-up with Cardin's bullying was likely a quality he learned when handling his sisters' boyfriends. He may honestly think that is how guys normally act (aside from Cardin's group, and Sun+Neptune, where are all the other boys he is supposed to role-model from?).

... Dangit, I'm like a dog that found a bone to chew between roleplays.

[Flamelord]

I thought Neptune just said 'No' to the date. I didn't think he dropped it. Which is a slight, yet sorta relevant difference.

[Kidd]

Foster said
We have a guy like Neptune, who is shallow enough to drop a date without explanation or apology, for fear of being embarrassed.
-Jaune gives Neptune a good scolding and then Neptune decides to resume his date with Weiss.

I liked Jaune for that. That was a good moment.

Foster said
And Juane, a hold-out that is being told 'No' without explanation, because Weiss felt embarrassed to be seen hanging-out with an under-achiever (be it Juane or Ruby).

With volume 2, when ever did Weiss feel or act embarrassed to be around Jaune and/or Ruby? There was the beginning of the first volume... And then they were all getting along just fine--Weiss is constantly having physical contact with Ruby, for example. And when she's around Jaune...contempt and disdain is more accurate. Not that I can blame her after his forever pursuit. That said, with Neptune talking up Jaune and Jaune done harassing Weiss, we might see Weiss and Jaune as friends in upcoming episodes.

Foster said
It seems Monty's angle isn't quite so much Juane, as much as trying to figure out why Weiss says 'No.' so often.... even to bunk-beds.

Well Weiss blatantly told us that she's weary of men going after her for her money / status. So that's one reason. From that we can gain she's a cautious person, who stops herself before getting too hopeful and involved. She's insecure. She's lonely, and she's not sure she can trust the people around her to make her feel not lonely. And, besides, even if that's what Monty's going for, he's doing it in a way that demonizes Jaune, which sucks. Monty could have easily had multiple boys approach and get rejected by Weiss to emphasize her insecurity.

Foster said
Either way, what Juane does have going for him, is persistence despite adversity; being able to put-up with Cardin's bullying was likely a quality he learned when handling his sisters' boyfriends. He may honestly think that is how guys normally act (aside from Cardin's group, and Sun+Neptune, where are all the other boys he is supposed to role-model from?).

I agree that his Cardin arc was pretty good character-building wise. However, he did not know how to put up with Cardin from the beginning, as we saw. It took Pyrrha being in danger for him to finally stand up to Cardin--it wasn't a male role model at all, but the fact that he cared about his teammate enough to put his own well being at risk. So there's no way he learned "how to deal with Cardin" from his sisters' supposed girlfriends.

What I see in Jaune is a boy who was told to "be a man," maybe from his sisters (though this seems unlikely since they taught him to dance), mother, and maybe even father as he talked about in volume 1 when telling Pyrrha why he snuck into Beacon. However, it's blatant that he was never taught how to be a man.

[Foster]

There is a slight chance that we're looking too deeply into this.

Also, I tend to use coping and dealing interchangeably. Bad habit.
-Coping is to continue without solving or addressing the problem itself and pretending everything is fine.

His sisters'... girlfriends?
-We may need to take a break. Lack of sleep seems to be creating a language-barrier. And if not, it will once I start posting in unts and grunts.

[Kidd]

A typo doesn't really create a language barrier, but okay.

[Foster]

Kidd said
A typo doesn't really create a language barrier, but okay.

It does when *I* start making typoes, just ask the regulars of IRC.

[Flamelord]

Well then, this little break, much less useful than the one about Dust. I was hoping to see something about culture and stuff, not vague generalizations that only really reinforce the point that the world is a scary place beyond the walls of the Kingdoms. Oh well, till next week then.

[Kidd]

Idk, I wasn't too disappointed. I was excited to learn that nomadic life was a thing. Whole new world for fan character ideas, haha.

Besides, we'll probably experience culture within the show (which I'd much prefer to being told).

[Foster]

Flamelord said
Well then, this little break, much less useful than the one about Dust. I was hoping to see something about culture and stuff, not vague generalizations that only really reinforce the point that the world is a scary place beyond the walls of the Kingdoms. Oh well, till next week then.

Pretty much it confirms there are people who, for some reason or another, decide to live outside these fortified cities (like Ruby's entire family).
-And like most of Ruby's family, they tend to disappear overnight without explanation. But disappear from who?

As evil as Roland may seem to be, I don't think his aim is to destroy the one thing keeping the nasties away from him.