[OOC] Coruscant Sacked: Aftermath

[Ellri]

We know exactly what it is, @Rtron.

and we ain't sharin'.

[SimplyJohn]

We know exactly what it is, @Rtron.
and we ain't sharin'.

@Ellri

That's not an actual 'no' though?

[Genni]

That's not fair, Dede wants to be seduced by a hot Sith and get to have hardcore lesbian bondage sex while getting blasted with Force Lightning too! *pout*

Wait, that was what we were talking about, right?

[Sep]

That's not fair, Dede wants to be seduced by a hot Sith and get to have hardcore lesbian bondage sex while getting blasted with Force Lightning too! *pout*

Wait, that was what we were talking about, right?

@Genni

Don't think it was actually.

[Genni]

And why not? Seems like a good topic of conversation to me.

[Sep]

And why not? Seems like a good topic of conversation to me.

@Genni

I'll pass. I'm not a fan of romance and/or sex in roleplays myself.

[Genni]

Who said anything about 'romance'?

[Rtron]

That's not fair, Dede wants to be seduced by a hot Sith and get to have hardcore lesbian bondage sex while getting blasted with Force Lightning too! *pout*

Wait, that was what we were talking about, right?

@Genni

It's what I was talking about.

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I'll pass. I'm not a fan of romance and/or sex in roleplays myself.

@Sep

Why not?

[Rtron]

Who said anything about 'romance'?

@Genni

Indeed. Zanna doesn't 'romance'

[Genni]

Indeed. Zanna doesn't 'romance'

@Rtron

Well, she does. It's just that not many other people consider the insertion of high-powered cattle prods into sensitive bodily orifices to be quite as comparable to a moonlit picnic as she seems to think it does.

[Sep]

or sex in roleplays myself.

Sep

@Genni and any form of non consent stuff fits into this category.

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It's what I was talking about.

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Why not?

@Rtron

Because for various reasons to great to explain, the simple reason is that's not why I roleplay. In a RP such as this where the connections of the Jedi and the Sith as orders, and with the Force romance shouldn't really be a factor. With it it's not why I'm here, I'm not here to read about someone hitting on someone else or feeling them up or gazing lovingly into their eyes. I don't mind it being in the shadows, the occasional look and what not but the second it turns to full blown romance I typically drop because I don't like reading that kinda stuff.

[Rtron]

I don't mind it being in the shadows, the occasional look and what not but the second it turns to full blown romance I typically drop because I don't like reading that kinda stuff.

@Sep

You're still in blood, and there's at least two full blown romances in that, Mar and Althalus off the top of my head. Do you just not read their scenes? Tell me if I'm bothering you, and I'll stop, I'm just curious.

[Sep]

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You're still in blood, and there's at least two full blown romances in that, Mar and Althalus off the top of my head. Do you just not read their scenes? Tell me if I'm bothering you, and I'll stop, I'm just curious.

@Rtron

Yeah I just kinda skip them out. SO as long as theres nothing for me in there we're all good.

[Rtron]

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Yeah I just kinda skip them out. SO as long as theres nothing for me in there we're all good.

@Sep

There shouldn't be.

[Genni]

Because for various reasons to great to explain, the simple reason is that's not why I roleplay. In a RP such as this where the connections of the Jedi and the Sith as orders, and with the Force romance shouldn't really be a factor. With it it's not why I'm here, I'm not here to read about someone hitting on someone else or feeling them up or gazing lovingly into their eyes. I don't mind it being in the shadows, the occasional look and what not but the second it turns to full blown romance I typically drop because I don't like reading that kinda stuff.

@Sep

Love has proven time and again (Anakin Skywalker, Jacen Solo, Tahiri Veila, etc.) to be one of the fastest routes to the Dark Side. Not only does it engender fear of loss, jealousy and envy towards others it can also quickly be perverted into hate when feelings aren't reciprocated. Too often Jedi overlook this avenue to the Dark while concentrating on the more obvious pain and hatred as causes for falls.

Love can also be used as a positive reinforcement for negative actions, when a person is rewarded with the feelings of gratitude and affection from the person with whom they are in love after having committed atrocities in their name. Something the Sith could easily use on some of the young and impressionable teenaged Padawan now in their clutches.

And remember, a lot of these Jedi seem to have had no experience with sex or physical intimacy of any kind, and that could be just the weakness the Sith may exploit in order to turn a promising young Jedi to the Dark Side. Seduction is often the way of the Sith after all, offering something which a Jedi feels they can find nowhere else.

Having considered the matter, the whole 'separating younglings from their families' would often create abandonment issues in even the youngest of recruits, giving any half-decent Sith an easy avenue to seducing a Padawan, simply by giving them a parent figure onto which they can latch.

That's probably why the older Jedi, prior to the Old Sith Wars used the Master-Apprentice model for training, rather than the classroom system used by the Jedi during the Old Republic era, since it would make the Master into the parent figure the Apprentice so needed due to the forced estrangement from their families and protecting them from undue influences from outside the Order.

[Sep]

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Love has proven time and again (Anakin Skywalker, Jacen Solo, Tahiri Veila, etc.) to be one of the fastest routes to the Dark Side. Not only does it engender fear of loss, jealousy and envy towards others it can also quickly be perverted into hate when feelings aren't reciprocated. Too often Jedi overlook this avenue to the Dark while concentrating on the more obvious pain and hatred as causes for falls.

@Genni

Yes because all the Jedi are going to go romancing Sith, or falling in love and finding ways to make it obvious while in prison. And a little is all right, a lot isn't. Also Tahiri went borderline dark more upon Jacen corrupting her ideals than her love for Anakin and it was in fact her love for Anakin that brought her back after she realized what she'd done.

[Genni]

Yes because all the Jedi are going to go romancing Sith, or falling in love and finding ways to make it obvious while in prison. And a little is all right, a lot isn't. Also Tahiri went borderline dark more upon Jacen corrupting her ideals than her love for Anakin and it was in fact her love for Anakin that brought her back after she realized what she'd done.

@Sep

After turning her back on her own traditions and ideals,¹ murdering Pelleon in Darth Caedus's name,¹ and becoming a slut for him² all because of a manipulation based around Darth Caedus using his 'flow-walking' ability to allow her to see Anakin again, but only for short periods each time. I'd say that's a case for a win when it comes to a Sith manipulating love in order to turn someone against their true nature.

If Darth Caedus hadn't been foolish enough to make Tahiri think that his 'flow-walking' would be able to physically change the past then Tahiri would've likely continued being his apprentice, and fuck toy, until she truly lost herself to the Dark.

_{1: Legacy of the Force: Revelation
2: Fate of the Jedi: Allies}

And it wouldn't be a case of Jedi romancing Sith, but the other way around. A wily Sith would use physical temptation in order to lure the unsuspecting Sith over to the Dark Side. This is a strategy used in real world brainwashing and neural programming after all, even without needing the Force to back it up.

[Sep]

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After turning her back on her own traditions and ideals,¹ murdering Pelleon in Darth Caedus's name,¹ and becoming a slut for him² all because of a manipulation based around Darth Caedus using his 'flow-walking' ability to allow her to see Anakin again, but only for short periods each time. I'd say that's a case for a win when it comes to a Sith manipulating love in order to turn someone against their true nature.

If Darth Caedus hadn't been foolish enough to make Tahiri think that his 'flow-walking' would be able to physically change the past then Tahiri would've likely continued being his apprentice, and fuck toy, until she truly lost herself to the Dark.

_{1: Legacy of the Force: Revelation
2: Fate of the Jedi: Allies}

And it wouldn't be a case of Jedi romancing Sith, but the other way around. A wily Sith would use physical temptation in order to lure the unsuspecting Sith over to the Dark Side. This is a strategy used in real world brainwashing and neural programming after all, even without needing the Force to back it up.

@Genni

She killed Pellaeon however she was never a "Slut" for him. And fuckbuddy is just, what the hell?

But if that's the direction the RP will be heading in especially for the Jedi Korens out. I know everyones entitled to their own style, and to explore stories. But I'm not going to read people flirting, eying eachother up, going all lovey dovey and what not. That is not what I'm here for.

[Genni]

She killed Pellaeon however she was never a "Slut" for him. And fuckbuddy is just, what the hell?

@Sep

I actually totally agree with that. I couldn't see any reason why Tahiri would suddenly allow Jacen to do things with her just because he was letting her spend time with Anakin again.

Personally I think it was more a case of the Fate of the Jedi series of books desperately trying to gain a little publicity as its sales weren't doing as well as the other New Jedi Order books had done, and adding sexual innuendos is usually an easy way to gain publicity. A bit like what happened with Marvel's Ultimate series; where they had twincest, leaked sex tapes (and the Avengers gathering around with popcorn to watch them on a big screen monitor!) and other sexual content thrown in while trying to gain sales.

But if that's the direction the RP will be heading in especially for the Jedi Korens out. I know everyones entitled to their own style, and to explore stories. But I'm not going to read people flirting, eying eachother up, going all lovey dovey and what not. That is not what I'm here for.

@Sep

It's lucky I'm not playing as a Sith this time round then. Most of the Dark Lords and their apprentices sound like the typical pain and torment Sith who'll just be trying to break everyone spirits before reforging them as Dark tools, rather than using the more subtle seductive techniques I'd be using.

[Sep]

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I actually totally agree with that. I couldn't see any reason why Tahiri would suddenly allow Jacen to do things with her just because he was letting her spend time with Anakin again.

Personally I think it was more a case of the Fate of the Jedi series of books desperately trying to gain a little publicity as its sales weren't doing as well as the other New Jedi Order books had done, and adding sexual innuendos is usually an easy way to gain publicity.

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It's lucky I'm not playing as a Sith this time round then. Most of the Dark Lords and their apprentices sound like the typical pain and torment Sith who'll just be trying to break everyone spirits before reforging them as Dark tools, rather than using the more subtle seductive techniques I'd be using.

@Genni

I mean no offense to your style, you're a good writer. Just for my own reasons I really really don't like reading that kinda stuff.