[OOC] Star Wars: Disintegration [adv. - NRP]

[Flagg]

@Flagg

Muunlist, bisellia, endoraan, entralla, capza, yaga minor, ord sendra, cezith, venestria

Probably a better list for your other worlds. The current list you have has planets all over the place with planets in the gaps. This gives you a little circle of space and then a little bit more. Three more and you could have an arm to bastion if you wanted.

@Sep

Thanks Sep. I wanted a cluster of territory around Bastion and Muunilinst, and a cluster of territory around Colla, plus the Neimenoid purse worlds. I'm just going by the zoomable map in the OP, so if you think there are better claims than what I have, I defer to your EU expertise.

[Sep]

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Thanks Sep. I wanted a cluster of territory around Bastion and Muunilinst, and a cluster of territory around Colla, plus the Neimenoid purse worlds. I'm just going by the zoomable map in the OP, so if you think there are better claims than what I have, I defer to your EU expertise.

@Flagg

I'll speak to you once I'm back but you got a lot of gaps in those territories.

[LordZell]

Ignore

[HeySeuss]

Working with Sini regarding someone to run at least a slice of the Rebel Alliance. Not sure how the end result will work.

[Sep]

@HeySeuss I had plans for Mandalore you fool D:

[LordZell]

Can I claim Isde Naha, Ozu, Orn Kios, Darlyn Boda , Ertegas, Shuxl, Anantapar, Mataou, Ison, Hoth, Anoat, Bespin, Varonat, Indellian, Bendeluum, Zhanox, Ione, Burnin Konn, Isis, Tokmia, Allyuen, Togominda, Bettel, Mev, Tinoon, Delphon, Polmanar, Zephry, Nothoiin, Salia Na, Bavva, Council, The Ring, Mexeluine, Mijos, Lutrilla, Shuldene, Kirtarkin, High Chunah, Kumru, Aztubek, Javin, Mugaar, Cargamalis. Basically this is all the Javin sector.

[Sini]

Can I claim Isde Naha, Ozu, Orn Kios, Darlyn Boda , Ertegas, Shuxl, Anantapar, Mataou, Ison, Hoth, Anoat, Bespin, Varonat, Indellian, Bendeluum, Zhanox, Ione, Burnin Konn, Isis, Tokmia, Allyuen, Togominda, Bettel, Mev, Tinoon, Delphon, Polmanar, Zephry, Nothoiin, Salia Na, Bavva, Council, The Ring, Mexeluine, Mijos, Lutrilla, Shuldene, Kirtarkin, High Chunah, Kumru, Aztubek, Javin, Mugaar, Cargamalis. Basically this is all the Javin sector.

@LordZell

I've currently put those down as Rebel Alliance controlled. Would you be playing as an Imperial or Rebel force?

[Sep]

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I've currently put those down as Rebel Alliance controlled. Would you be playing as an Imperial or Rebel force?

@Sini

He's going Imperial. Him and Drunken were going to team up and have them kind of boxed in

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NAMING ALL THE MAJOR CAPSHIPS YO

Anyway I gotta go. I've got all the heavy shit I want now, just to fill in the Cruisers, frigs and vettes.

[HeySeuss]

Per conversation with Sini, the fleet being built around the 12th Roving Line of the Alliance, brought in after the disastrous raid on Rendili. The 12th was an Outer Rim unit bound for Corellia's shipyards for refit and repair of its flagship, the AS Tarsus Valorum, when Imperial Remnant forces disabled the sector's defense forces.

These veterans of the Rebellion are not happy to be denied a very hard-earned shore leave in the Core and refit efforts are underway at Duros, Corellia and Rendili to quickly bring ships into service to bulk up the 12th Roving Line to fighting strength along with experienced spacers from those core planets.

[HeySeuss]

Also, FWIW Sini, I think Venators need to be classed as carriers, looking at the capacity for starfighters in comparison to other carrier classes. I also believe that Assault Frigates should be cruisers -- they are refitted Dreadnaught Cruisers that are designed to use less crew than the incredible 16,000 of the old Dreadnaughts.

[Terminal]

Also, FWIW Sini, I think Venators need to be classed as carriers, looking at the capacity for starfighters in comparison to other carrier classes. I also believe that Assault Frigates should be cruisers -- they are refitted Dreadnaught Cruisers that are designed to use less crew than the incredible 16,000 of the old Dreadnaughts.

@HeySeuss

Problem. The Venator is less than half the size of most other carriers, but somehow carries more starfighters than most of them (200 for it versus the 144 of the Secutor Star Destroyer, twice as large or three times as large if one counts width and described as being more dedicated to starfighter carriage), AND it somehow retains more heavy weapons by mass than anything other than the Imperial I and II class Star Destroyers. It outperforms every listed carrier by far, both in terms of armament and in terms of carrier capacity. It can't be rated as a proper Star Destroyer though, since it's far too small.

The Venator is, at the risk of starting fires, something of a game breaker.

[HeySeuss]

After consultation, @Terminal and I both feel that 90 or so craft, maybe something up to 114 for TIE's and smaller craft, would be the complement of the Venators.

We both think that even at 5 points a pop, they're too damn powerful without a retcon to bring it back to sanity, given the size and relative power of the vessels.

This is up to you, @Sini but we're both on the same page with that.

[HeySeuss]

(WIP. Scratching for now.)

[Sep]

After consultation, @Terminal and I both feel that 90 or so craft, maybe something up to 114 for TIE's and smaller craft, would be the complement of the Venators.

We both think that even at 5 points a pop, they're too damn powerful without a retcon to bring it back to sanity, given the size and relative power of the vessels.

This is up to you, @Sini but we're both on the same page with that.

@HeySeuss

Not really Venators unlike the ISD are riddled with other problems. Multi-role ships never perform as well as their dedicated counterparts. Not to mention that all that hangar space gives it an obvious weakness compared to other carrier models such as the Secutor.

@Sini hope you don't mind but as warship classifications have changed in the Imperial times that's my list. I was working with the C170 retrofit being more of a corvette than a frigate which is what the Republic classified it as.

[LordZell]

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I've currently put those down as Rebel Alliance controlled. Would you be playing as an Imperial or Rebel force?

@Sini

Well we were gonna be Imperials. I also feel that due to the system having at least two rebel bases , Bespin and Both that it'd be imperial due to them wanting to keep a tight grip in rebel ares under supervision of a Grand Moff it's also the most populous in the area.

[Ruby]

After consultation, @Terminal and I both feel that 90 or so craft, maybe something up to 114 for TIE's and smaller craft, would be the complement of the Venators.

We both think that even at 5 points a pop, they're too damn powerful without a retcon to bring it back to sanity, given the size and relative power of the vessels.

This is up to you, @Sini but we're both on the same page with that.

@HeySeuss

I'd agree, for what it's worth.

[Sep]

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I'd agree, for what it's worth.

@Ruby

If Sini wants reason for my disagreement btw I can PM her/him

[Ruby]

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If Sini wants reason for my disagreement btw I can PM her/him

@Sep

Sini's a male.

[Sini]

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Problem. The Venator is less than half the size of most other carriers, but somehow carries more starfighters than most of them (200 for it versus the 144 of the Secutor Star Destroyer, twice as large or three times as large if one counts width and described as being more dedicated to starfighter carriage), AND it somehow retains more heavy weapons by mass than anything other than the Imperial I and II class Star Destroyers. It outperforms every listed carrier by far, both in terms of armament and in terms of carrier capacity. It can't be rated as a proper Star Destroyer though, since it's far too small.

The Venator is, at the risk of starting fires, something of a game breaker.

@Terminal

After consultation, @Terminal and I both feel that 90 or so craft, maybe something up to 114 for TIE's and smaller craft, would be the complement of the Venators.

We both think that even at 5 points a pop, they're too damn powerful without a retcon to bring it back to sanity, given the size and relative power of the vessels.

This is up to you, @Sini but we're both on the same page with that.

@HeySeuss

Thanks for pointing this out.

With its 1,137 meters, it falls well within the SD-size bracket (Ships of roughly 1000 - 2000 meters length), so I have reclassified it accordingly. Some pages on the wiki had conflicting labels on it, hence my mistake. The way I explained the ability to field all those smaller craft, would be to swith out all weapons in favour of docking space.

The alternative that you two propose would bring it more towards the carrying capacity of an Imperial I SD, its successor. I believe that to be reasonable. 90 smaller ships per Venator seems a proper balancing decision, so let's go with that.

@Sini hope you don't mind but as warship classifications have changed in the Imperial times that's my list. I was working with the C170 retrofit being more of a corvette than a frigate which is what the Republic classified it as.

@Sep

Adhering to the Anaxes War College system, classing ships per their length, that'd be right.

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Well we were gonna be Imperials. I also feel that due to the system having at least two rebel bases , Bespin and Both that it'd be imperial due to them wanting to keep a tight grip in rebel ares under supervision of a Grand Moff it's also the most populous in the area.

@LordZell

Mhm, be advised though that as Imperial rule is collapsing, you guys risk being isolated in the Outer Rim. No reinforcements will be coming other than those you can get for yourself. The Rebel Alliance has just won a major victory, and a lot of their soon to be consolidated holdings are in the Outer Rim (along the Sanctuary Pipeline) and the southern reaches of the Hydian Way, Corellian Trade Spine and the Corellian Run. Basically you're about to set up shop in a wasp's nest of 'filthy Rebel scum'. :P Endor isn't that far away from Yavin, so that would prove interesting. I do not want to convince you to take a different starting spot, but just want to point out that what might concern you.

[Sini]

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Sini's a male.

@Ruby

Last I checked.