[OOC] American Dream: A Shattered Union

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Shorticus
Go ahead mate, welcome aboard.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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_{I pledge allegiance,
to the Flag,
of the Fallen States of America.
And to the Republic,
that no longer stands,
one Nation,
forgotten by God,
now in pieces,
with anarchy and injustice supreme}

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First IC post will either be later today or tomorrow should everything go smoothly.
See you all in the wasteland people!

[ClocktowerEchos]

Claims map has been updated and I recommend people start posting their NS now even if they aren't 100% done.

Also, triple post, sue me, I'm such a rebel.

[Blizz]

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_{I pledge allegiance,
to the Flag,
of the Fallen States of America.
And to the Republic,
that no longer stands,
one Nation,
forgotten by God,
now in pieces,
with anarchy and injustice supreme}

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First IC post will either be later today or tomorrow should everything go smoothly.
See you all in the wasteland people!

@ClocktowerEchos

wow

[ClocktowerEchos]

@BlizzI take that as you expressing interest?
If so, do try to make a decent sheet. That would be much appreciated.

[Blizz]

@ClocktowerEchosyes but I was wowing at ur clever pledge

[LordZell]

I am currently interested in this.

[Shorticus]

Hmm...

Since we have a Neo-Confederate faction, should I change the name of my military from the Confederate Guard to something else? I'm short of ideas here. Anyone have any?

[ClocktowerEchos]

@LordZell
I cannot accept your NS. Some issues with it:

First off you should have posted the NS into the OOC first, but I'll take the blame for it since I didn't lay it out in the rules.

Second, I said to put your claims via tinypic, that site you linked it through isn't working for me.

Third, how many militia to you exactly have? Saying you have "countless at your disposal" isn't exactly telling me much and I prefer to keep vagueness to a minimum.

Fourth, you sheet is really bland and barebones, you honestly aren't putting a lot into it compared to everyone else and to be quite honest, it kinda looked like you half assed it. While I'm not saying you need to write me an wikipedia article's worth of knowledge for each section, but just beef it up some how like everyone else's.

[ClocktowerEchos]

Hmm...

Since we have a Neo-Confederate faction, should I change the name of my military from the Confederate Guard to something else? I'm short of ideas here. Anyone have any?

@Shorticus

You could have them be Federation Guards and do a simple name change from Confederation to just Federation.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@ClocktowerEchos

How do you refuel ships without a refinery or source of fuel?

Not to mention Chicago being the third largest city in the US it'd get hit harder than Lansing or Detroit.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Dinh AaronMk

For the GUC? They just use steam engine, Pennsylvania is famous for its coal mines.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@ClocktowerEchos

No, Illinois. I thought you were on about Illinois.

[Shorticus]

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You could have them be Federation Guards and do a simple name change from Confederation to just Federation.

@ClocktowerEchos

That would work... sort of. I didn't think of that. A part of me REALLY wants to do that.

The lines between a Confederation and a Federation are kind'a mulled. But the distinction is important in the U.S. because the U.S.A. has what we'd consider a Federal government. A confederacy is a group of independent states that work together (like the Iroquois nation or the North German Confederacy); a federation implies more centralization and less independence for the member states.

If nothing else comes up, that's what I'll roll with, but a confederacy is different enough from a federation that I'm a bit wary of running with that.

EDIT: Yeah, just double checked something. Typed confederation vs. federation into Google. The following came up:

By definition the difference between a confederation and a federation is that the membership of the member states in a confederation is voluntary, while the membership in a federation is not.

That'd go against what I'm writing the League to be. The League isn't going to go about trying to annex people; it's going to be a mostly defensive state that tries to expand diplomatically. I'm gonna avoid the word Federation.

League Guard just doesn't sound good, either...

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Dinh AaronMk

Oh, ahh. Sorry about that mix up.

From a quick google search there are oil wells and refineries in Illinois but you do have a point, Chicago would be another likely center of a nuke attack and I don't think anyone currently has the technology to completely rebuild one from scratch that would be able to rival current ones in terms of efficiency or volume.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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That would work... sort of. I didn't think of that. A part of me REALLY wants to do that.

The lines between a Confederation and a Federation are kind'a mulled. But the distinction is important in the U.S. because the U.S.A. has what we'd consider a Federal government. A confederacy is a group of independent states that work together (like the Iroquois nation or the North German Confederacy); a federation implies more centralization and less independence for the member states.

If nothing else comes up, that's what I'll roll with, but a confederacy is different enough from a federation that I'm a bit wary of running with that.

@Shorticus

You could make it a Union then.
Also, name doesn't really make or break your government. The Holy Roman Empire was basically a confederation despite its name.

EDIT: You don't nessicarily need them to be a certain name. You could have them be something like Tribal Guard or hell, go back to native american roots and call them Braves.
I'm willing to help if need be for names and military units, I rather enjoy doing that sort of stuff ^^

[Shorticus]

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You could make it a Union then.
Also, name doesn't really make or break your government. The Holy Roman Empire was basically a confederation despite its name.

@ClocktowerEchos

Point taken. Yeah... I'll chew on thi-

Huh. Duh. Alliance. First Alliance Guard; Second Alliance Guard; etc. And it works well with the nations having their own forces, too, because then I can have the Utah Army, Navajo Army... Yeah, that's what I'll roll with, and I can change the word "League" to "Alliance" without feeling at all fidgety. Or, potentially, I don't have to change the name at all because they DO have an alliance...

Corners Alliance Guard? Since they're at the Corners? Decisions.

Thanks for jumpstarting my brain!

EDIT: Not sure on Braves. I don't want to do anything that might actually come across as, well, offensive. There's a careful line I tread between writing something respectful and writing something that doesn't really honor the folks who inspired this nation idea. I err on the side of caution, typically.

EDIT 2: And yeah, I'll send you a PM if you like for name brainstorming. I'll need to name all four of the nation's forces, but that's pretty much it.

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Dinh AaronMk

Oh, ahh. Sorry about that mix up.

From a quick google search there are oil wells and refineries in Illinois but you do have a point, Chicago would be another likely center of a nuke attack and I don't think anyone currently has the technology to completely rebuild one from scratch that would be able to rival current ones in terms of efficiency or volume.

@ClocktowerEchos

I'm sure you could use ethanol too but corn is a very inefficient form of ethanol and without machines to farm the corn then turning corn or soy into fuel would be a severe waste of food crops.

And while Illinois has at least one major refinery it'd be something likely contested by Kansas it's so close to them.

[Shorticus]

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I'm sure you could use ethanol too but corn is a very inefficient form of ethanol and without machines to farm the corn then turning corn or soy into fuel would be a severe waste of food crops.

And while Illinois has at least one major refinery it'd be something likely contested by Kansas it's so close to them.

@Dinh AaronMk

Yeah, there's other states that could probably produce the gas / oil needed that would fare better in the nuclear apocalypse. I mean, frankly... A few cities in Texas might get struck, but a lot of it isn't very high priority, and there are oil wells in those regions.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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I'm sure you could use ethanol too but corn is a very inefficient form of ethanol and without machines to farm the corn then turning corn or soy into fuel would be a severe waste of food crops.

And while Illinois has at least one major refinery it'd be something likely contested by Kansas it's so close to them.

@Dinh AaronMk

That would be an issue. I would say biofuels but even today we aren't really implimenting those so that's off the table.

The contested refinery could be an interesting plot point tho.