Everybody's got annoying stuff happening that brings them down, maybe if we all talk about it, we can make it better! So whats bothering you?
Zaresto said
Feminism and Religion.
Magic Magnum said
You took the words right out of my mouth... :P
Ferret said I never really understood the whole hate for organized religion thing
Ferret said I mean I am in no way religious, but to a lot of people its all they have. It gives huge peace of mind to people that are experiencing massive grief or loss.
Ferret said I suppose its near impossible to explain spirituality and blind faith to someone who has yet to find a need for it.
Ferret said Of course there are the typical protests against it such as the anti-homosexual laws or female ownership ect, but the holy passages of whatever religion you choose was probably written so long ago that it might as well of been in a different universe.
Ferret said Assholes are going to be assholes no matter what median they choose to express it through.
Ferret said I'm not claiming their hasn't been huge atrocities done in the name of religion in the past, and present, but to shun a massive portion of human culture is crazy in my opinion.
Ferret said These are just the minor opinions of an over-tired ferret. I understand how controversial and personal topics on religion can be, so the last thing I want is a flame war
Ferret said
I never really understood the whole hate for organized religion thing, I mean I am in no way religious, but to alot of people its all they have. It gives huge peace of mind to people that are experiencing massive grief or loss. I suppose its near impossible to explain spirituality and blind faith to someone who has yet to find a need for it. Of course there are the typical protests against it such as the anti-homosexual laws or female ownership ect, but the holy passages of whatever religion you choose was probably written so long ago that it might as well of been in a different universe. Assholes are going to be assholes no matter what median they choose to express it through. I'm not claiming their hasn't been huge atrocities done in the name of religion in the past, and present, but to shun a massive portion of human culture is crazy in my opinion.
These are just the minor opinions of an over-tired ferret. I understand how controversial and personal topics on religion can be, so the last thing I want is a flame war
Ferret said Thanks for taking the effort to fully explain yourself magnum. I always justify the huge hate towards religion on the internet (not saying that it's on this forum, but in general) due to the fact that atheist, agnostic or whatever people far outweigh theists on the internet for the most part, at least on sites I frequent, and it's actually the first time a non-theist group of people have been in the majority and they feel the need for a sort of payback for all the prejudices they experienced as the minority.
Ferret said Zaresto, thanks aswell for explaining yourself, I see where you coming from but personally I Still believe the thought of heaven to be a very healthy motivator in life, I'm going to pull from personal experiences, which is kind of unfair as it makes it harder for you to counter-point my argument with me going "Are you calling my mother a liar" or something. But the personal story actually does regard my mother, when her father died a few years ago she was absolutely devastated, she was literally a shell of her old self. And I think the one thing that pulled her out of it was the prospect of him being in a better place now. She commonly mentions to us how he is always "looking out for her" in the forms of little trivial bits of good luck, should it be a free parking space, a safe drive home on frosty roads, or a machine giving back extra change, just stupid little positive things that are very easy to ignore. But I believe that the thought of someone looking out for you, just doing their best to make life a little easier for you is such an attractive and mood altering thing, because now, whenever she is in a bad mood, she will try her hardest look for any little bit of positivity in her life. And I can say from personal experience that depression starts when you ignore the positive and focus on the negative
Magic Magnum said listed Feminism as an annoyance.Cause they got to the point where women are equal (They still lack equality in some areas, but to the point it equals out to the areas where men lack rights) and are basically now turning into this movement that hates men and aims for female superiority.
Dark Wind said
Hmm. I disagree massively with this statement, however, I'm not sure if I'm ready to go on a huge discussion about it lol. We could make a separate topic, but for now I'll post here. In the case of modern feminism…1) You may have your members of the group who distort the actual goals of said group. This does not make the whole of feminism a group of women looking for female superiority. This is just false. That's like me pointing at atheists who harm religious people and saying atheists are out for complete atheist superiority. 2) As you pointed out yourself there are still aspects of inequality left for women. I'd also point out that places where men get shafted are due to certain inequalities for women and the way we view things (gender roles, specifically). Also, the biggest form of inequality for women is not necessarily these concrete things, but it is social inequality that is systemic within our culture. Now, to the points of religion. I don't like religious zealotry, I believe we can all agree on that, maybe? However, you seem to be striving to make the point that a religious person should not enforce their views on others. Well, that has to work both ways. It is the religious person's freedom of choice to believe what they believe. It is the responsibility of both believer and non-believer alike to coexist.
Magic Magnum said
First off, glad to see you finally on the New Guild Dark Wind :)In regards to Feminism. I agree that there are still some good feminist out there. But the amount of male doninancy sort of thinking is outright rampant in some areas. Also men have to face many cultural stigmas and discrimination too. For example, do you know that a common fear of women in ECE is letting men change an infants diaper out of fear of said child being sexually abused?As for Religion. No one here is saying that atheists have a right to force their belief on others either. We're simply saying religious people also shouldn't have said right. While also noting our own personal disliking of Religion.
ShonHarris said
You said still some good feminists out there. I think the vantage point may be effecting the overall status of feminism in the modern day. Obviously there are a bunch of extreme perspectives that do more blaming and shaming than actually identifying systemic issues and addressing them -- that's the way of America-- but I'd challenge that this bunch is likely a minority. The fact is feminists working to create change can be loud when necessary, as they should be to make issues known, yet are also likely doing more work behind the scenes pushing proposals and trying to change laws. Groups like Pussy Riot aren't as common here because our oppressive issues are subtle, though pervasive. It still requires a level of theatrics to push awareness though. The case you used about the diaper changing sounds a lot like a minority of feminists who've, honestly, probably had horrible experiences leading to this fear. I wouldn't say their experiences are invalid, but yes, they're generalizing we're all aware. Religion can be positively fulfilling or not. Nothing to do with faith, more about exploration of self and our relationship to the world. Much scripture is focused to meeting an entity separate from ourselves rather than the inward looks a great many do push across faiths. I am speaking of course about Christianity here, where it's constantly said not to judge, to look into yourself for truth, to find the Kingdom of Heaven within yourself, and yet some people still push this idea of being best damned apostle. Yeah, I'd mark that as an annoyance too. I'm a Universalist who has deep respect for Judeo-Christianity, deep, deep respect from my studies of it, and I find that competitive thing highly irritating. The relationship is between self and world. It's grounding. If you're feeling superior to others and separated from the rest, there may well be something wrong.