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If anyone is struggling with a Master idea, I was kind of hoping to have Beni summoned by someone from the volunteer law enforcement organization, so if you might want to pair with her then, um, yeah!
Name: Cesarina 'Rina' Barsavi
Age: 23
Appearance:
She has a small scar high on her forehead under her hair and another on her left jawline.
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Other: Her English is flawless and almost without accent but her studies in Mandarin and Japanese are coming along more slowly.
Age: 23
Appearance:
She has a small scar high on her forehead under her hair and another on her left jawline.
Personality:
Cesarina projects a stoic outward persona, though she might appear cold to people that she has just met. Underneath her reactions are merely subdued and tightly controlled. She views this restraint as a facet of strength and bravery.
Rina feels embarrassed by any loss of control or moment of weakness, feeling that she has failed herself. It is rare that she trusts anyone enough to reveal the true depth of her emotions.
In her hidden depths she is caring and compassionate, often worrying about others to an irrational degree. This is at odds to her chosen hobby, but she prides herself in her skill in avoiding causing excessive harm to her opponents, doing only what is required to secure victory. Cesarina cares little for humor but makes the attempt with dry sarcasm.
Rina feels embarrassed by any loss of control or moment of weakness, feeling that she has failed herself. It is rare that she trusts anyone enough to reveal the true depth of her emotions.
In her hidden depths she is caring and compassionate, often worrying about others to an irrational degree. This is at odds to her chosen hobby, but she prides herself in her skill in avoiding causing excessive harm to her opponents, doing only what is required to secure victory. Cesarina cares little for humor but makes the attempt with dry sarcasm.
Abilities:
Skill - Dueling: The her mothers side of the family has a long history of fencing and Cesarina is no different. She specializes in live steel fencing where protection is only worn over vital areas and no lunging attacks are used. With modern medicine and the skill of the combatants, scars and lasting injuries are almost unheard of.
Her matched pair of rapiers use lightweight composites for the handle and a layer of steel sandwiched between two layers of titanium in the blade for an incredibly lightweight weapon.
Her matched pair of rapiers use lightweight composites for the handle and a layer of steel sandwiched between two layers of titanium in the blade for an incredibly lightweight weapon.
Magecraft - Thermo-Kinetic conversion: A variation on alchemy that was pioneered by the Barsavi family. It uses transmutation to convert between thermal and kinetic energy, draining kinetic energy from a moving object to create heat or removing the thermal energy from an area to impart force upon an object. In its current state the art is very efficient and the family has chosen this generation to conduct research into the conversion of other types of energy.
She carries a thermos full of hot water as a source of readily available energy for her magecraft. The thermos can keep the liquid hot for a long amount of time and the water can be heated and cooled repeatedly without going through any chemical changes.
She carries a thermos full of hot water as a source of readily available energy for her magecraft. The thermos can keep the liquid hot for a long amount of time and the water can be heated and cooled repeatedly without going through any chemical changes.
History:
Cesarina is the only child of a German mother and her Italian father. Aside from learning magic from her father she also picked up a passion for martial combat from her mothers side of the family. Growing up she was bilingual in German and Italian with English coming easily as well. To work better with her father's style of magecraft she also was given a solid grounding in basic physics.
With her logical approach to everything she has difficulty grasping other styles of magecraft. Her father pushed her to go to Fusang City in order for her to see more of the world and experience other styles of magecraft. She has yet to pick a role for herself in the city, merely getting used to the environment for now while she makes up her mind. One one had she would like to continue her education but on the other she would like to start on a career in this new place.
With her logical approach to everything she has difficulty grasping other styles of magecraft. Her father pushed her to go to Fusang City in order for her to see more of the world and experience other styles of magecraft. She has yet to pick a role for herself in the city, merely getting used to the environment for now while she makes up her mind. One one had she would like to continue her education but on the other she would like to start on a career in this new place.
Other: Her English is flawless and almost without accent but her studies in Mandarin and Japanese are coming along more slowly.
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On second thought, I might be apping an Assassin to this partay...
I'm a bit scared of sharing him, though ;;"
I'm a bit scared of sharing him, though ;;"
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So I certainly want to put my interest down, though I have over if some of these servants would be valid in anyway given the restrictions on servants.
Abigail Williams
Katsushika Hokusai
Im asking about these two because I would like to know about your stance on the foreigner class as it is capable of doing some pretty insane things, most noticably Abigail Williams effectively being Gil Tier in her Outer form, potentially of course this 'form' could be limited by the lack of manner restricting her from fully opening the gate and pulling off the one shot that is her np in its true state
Angra Mainyu, or as many say Angry Matthew
Edmond Dantes
Asking about Angra Mainyu mostly for lore reasons, as in, is he even able to be summoned? If so I wouldn't mind using Angra Mainyu as a character motivator, he might be a weak murderhobo, but hes an inspirational weak murderhobo. Dantes on the otherhand is a whole another can of worms, mostly due to the power of his NP's. Likely this could be balanced by him never going all out unless he is conducting vengeance for one person or another.
Finally the last few aren't extra class servants so these generally come under their power scaling, which are.
Ozymandio, The Egyptian Pharoah while not exactly Gil tier is still a monster on the battlefield and can easily skew most fights.
Oda Nobunaga, Asking as a result of her NP's literally being a an extreme bane towards servants with divinity or high amounts of mystery.
King Solomon (not Goetia, The actual King Solomon), Avoiding any shanagians that might end in the creation of a singularity- I think King Solomon would work pretty well. Of course with a additional restriction on his band of light.
For now I'll wait to see how you feel about these servants and if none of these are ok, I'll ask about a few more.
Katsushika Hokusai
Im asking about these two because I would like to know about your stance on the foreigner class as it is capable of doing some pretty insane things, most noticably Abigail Williams effectively being Gil Tier in her Outer form, potentially of course this 'form' could be limited by the lack of manner restricting her from fully opening the gate and pulling off the one shot that is her np in its true state
Angra Mainyu, or as many say Angry Matthew
Edmond Dantes
Asking about Angra Mainyu mostly for lore reasons, as in, is he even able to be summoned? If so I wouldn't mind using Angra Mainyu as a character motivator, he might be a weak murderhobo, but hes an inspirational weak murderhobo. Dantes on the otherhand is a whole another can of worms, mostly due to the power of his NP's. Likely this could be balanced by him never going all out unless he is conducting vengeance for one person or another.
Finally the last few aren't extra class servants so these generally come under their power scaling, which are.
Ozymandio, The Egyptian Pharoah while not exactly Gil tier is still a monster on the battlefield and can easily skew most fights.
Oda Nobunaga, Asking as a result of her NP's literally being a an extreme bane towards servants with divinity or high amounts of mystery.
King Solomon (not Goetia, The actual King Solomon), Avoiding any shanagians that might end in the creation of a singularity- I think King Solomon would work pretty well. Of course with a additional restriction on his band of light.
For now I'll wait to see how you feel about these servants and if none of these are ok, I'll ask about a few more.
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For the rest of us, if folks want to start pairing up, the GM said we should discuss that for those of us approved.
So if anyone wants to summon Edison, the Wizard is accessible.
Blood Iron...I dunno if I'll be having her summon just yet, but yeah, if anyone wants to pair up, drop me a line.
So if anyone wants to summon Edison, the Wizard is accessible.
Blood Iron...I dunno if I'll be having her summon just yet, but yeah, if anyone wants to pair up, drop me a line.
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- Name: Alkyrieaze von Einzbern.
- Age: 9. Well... physically 9, and she seems to have been born 9 years ago. Her mental age doesn't really match properly in either direction.
- Appearance: Normally, this would be covered up.
- Personality: Alkyrieaze rather embodies how the Einzbern are, even at the best of times, not the most sane of families--even in comparison to your average magus. At least in her case, this is mostly from an odd combination of childish naivete and adult awareness; with what she's been taught and is aware of, she has a frighteningly blasé attitude towards most adult topics, such as violence. If a Servant were to threaten to cut her to pieces, it would probably not even register, and angry she can have a frighteningly violent streak.
On the flip side... she's still a child whose socialisation has mostly been via homunculi that in many respects act as Servants, a very cold and uncaring "grandfather", and a long-dead hero. Childish pursuits do strongly hold her attention, and she's easy to influence as such. - Abilities: In the end, she's an Einzbern homunculus patterned after Justeaze, with all of the nigh-limitless magical energy that implies--certainly more than enough to comfortably sustain a Servant of any demand, or even several lesser Servants. Despite her age, her alchemical abilities are suitably advanced, allowing for any form of transmutation or refinement of precious metals, and the rest of the necessary base package for the Einzbern--mostly consisting, ironically, of healing magecraft no use for her. Like most of their homunculi, Alkyrieaze does not possess the slightest hint of combat ability beyond theoretically being able to make someone that has combat ability, but that's not much of an issue for once. And she'll gladly learn more magecraft if anyone makes the poor choice of exposing it to her (or if lessons are offered).
When not ill, the reinforcements on her internal organs theoretically allow her to run without ever getting out of breath or her heart rate increasing, breathe toxic atmospheres, and eat without ever being full. Of course, her general poor health prevents making much use of those. - History: After their failure with Illyasviel, the Einzbern thought it hopeless, with the grail no longer operational it was simply impossible for them to obtain the Third Magic--or, obviously, win the Holy Grail War as Jubstacheit had come to view his goal. But when the city was being built, in the exact place to mass-summon Servants... the family stirred once again, aiming for a different sort of perfection--a homunculus with all the ability needed to be a Master, but more of a human then even Illya had and able to live properly in such a city for the long term... long enough to perhaps recreate Justeaze's work.
And then sacrifice enough Servants to obtain their goal.
Of course, this first took some time--to have such a human homunculus and suitably raise them in the city, even after its founding, couldn't be immediate. And then, after Alkyrieaze's birth... all the flaws stemming from trying to create someone so human predicted a short lifespan--too short--rather than the near-limitless one that their plan might need. It was almost considered time to start again, but one last thing was attempted first: taking those weak and flawed internal organs, magically enhancing and reinforcing them, then putting them back in. Acht being Acht and not caring about his creations' feelings, she got to be conscious for all of this... at the age of six.
Still, it seems to have worked, and so far there's no immediate indication Alkyrieaze's long term growth has been inhibited--her health is now actually good, albeit she's still susceptible to frequent illnesses. She even took to the direct route to alleviate her loneliness after once more returning to the city from the Einzbern estates: summoning a Servant. School wouldn't help; the Einzbern aren't good at making homunculi with only childish knowledge: she inevitably wound up skipping all the way to highschool.
Since it's been a few years since then, they probably have some compatibility. - Other: Alkyrieaze isn't the only Einzbern in the city--naturally, they've ended up with a very big, fancy house--but she's the only "unusual" one. In that respect, the other homunculi defer to her where necessary.
And it means the 9 year old is the one with the best access to their enormous wealth.
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@1Charak2: Hoo boy. Uh...
You probably watched the Voice of Saint Quartz video on the whole 'beating Gil' thing, I assume? Because, well... I don't think Abby's at that level of strength, per se. While fully unleashing an Elder God is just really bad for humanity in general, Abby (in base form, at least) isn't actively trying to screw over the world and would likely be limited to 5head beams and light tentacles. Her NP, while problematic in that it can target and mindscrew anyone at will, is also restrained by her even in Outer form.
Like, just look at how Salem plays out. Our Servants take damage from being exposed, but they're not OUT of the fight 100%.
Also, getting her to Outer form requires very specific triggers that cause her to go off the deep end, and if you're deliberately invoking those on your end, you have a problem on your hands.
In regards to the Gil problem, well... In this scenario where every Servant is likely registered in some sort of database post-summon and he has access to that info disregarding Clairvoyance, she doesn't have the proposed advantage to pull a Shadow on him. Also, like, he's got better things to do than bully a little girl.
So, like, she's fine?
Hokusai is far less OP since he just got octopus'd, and it's not like Ooi is any level of broken. She just paints stuff. Not like she goes throwing insanity around like candy or anything.
Angra... Well, since there's no Grail to taint, per se, Angra would be fine? Ritual is inherently the same, just different circumstances leading to weird shit, so yeah.
Dantes is also fine, honestly? He's got good stats across the board and his NPs are super speed, parameter concealment (which isn't helpful in a place where everyone can know everything) plus super fire, and a weird BatCon + parameter boosts, but he's nothing game breaking? We have a lot of people who can match him in that category.
Now for the extra list...
Nobu can benefit from more Mystery, but she's not impossible to take down. It's a matter of dealing with Papiyas that the problem, and she's just a 'hard counter' type of Servant that excels in a good matchup. Acceptable.
Ozy plops down his RM and stalls it out. Also he has the same ego problem as Gil, so don't expect him to actively fight. Or use his boat in any meaningful way other than the occasional laser.
You deserve suffering for suggesting Solomon. That's the only one I'm 100% denying.
@TheFake: Master's accepted, but Lugh's NP seems a bit UP for an A rank NP.
@Raineh Daze: Master accepted.
In any case... Yeah, I'd like people to pair up. Ideally. Since we have an odd setup, not everyone needs to make a Master per se (you can use an NPC to link up to a Servant if you'd wish or even self-pair), but I'd highly recommend it.
Melt ideally needs a new Master, and Mr. Normal also needs one to be obtained in the future.
Double reminder: If you make a Master, you're okayed for a second Servant. Just saying.
You probably watched the Voice of Saint Quartz video on the whole 'beating Gil' thing, I assume? Because, well... I don't think Abby's at that level of strength, per se. While fully unleashing an Elder God is just really bad for humanity in general, Abby (in base form, at least) isn't actively trying to screw over the world and would likely be limited to 5head beams and light tentacles. Her NP, while problematic in that it can target and mindscrew anyone at will, is also restrained by her even in Outer form.
Like, just look at how Salem plays out. Our Servants take damage from being exposed, but they're not OUT of the fight 100%.
Also, getting her to Outer form requires very specific triggers that cause her to go off the deep end, and if you're deliberately invoking those on your end, you have a problem on your hands.
In regards to the Gil problem, well... In this scenario where every Servant is likely registered in some sort of database post-summon and he has access to that info disregarding Clairvoyance, she doesn't have the proposed advantage to pull a Shadow on him. Also, like, he's got better things to do than bully a little girl.
So, like, she's fine?
Hokusai is far less OP since he just got octopus'd, and it's not like Ooi is any level of broken. She just paints stuff. Not like she goes throwing insanity around like candy or anything.
Angra... Well, since there's no Grail to taint, per se, Angra would be fine? Ritual is inherently the same, just different circumstances leading to weird shit, so yeah.
Dantes is also fine, honestly? He's got good stats across the board and his NPs are super speed, parameter concealment (which isn't helpful in a place where everyone can know everything) plus super fire, and a weird BatCon + parameter boosts, but he's nothing game breaking? We have a lot of people who can match him in that category.
Now for the extra list...
Nobu can benefit from more Mystery, but she's not impossible to take down. It's a matter of dealing with Papiyas that the problem, and she's just a 'hard counter' type of Servant that excels in a good matchup. Acceptable.
Ozy plops down his RM and stalls it out. Also he has the same ego problem as Gil, so don't expect him to actively fight. Or use his boat in any meaningful way other than the occasional laser.
You deserve suffering for suggesting Solomon. That's the only one I'm 100% denying.
@TheFake: Master's accepted, but Lugh's NP seems a bit UP for an A rank NP.
@Raineh Daze: Master accepted.
In any case... Yeah, I'd like people to pair up. Ideally. Since we have an odd setup, not everyone needs to make a Master per se (you can use an NPC to link up to a Servant if you'd wish or even self-pair), but I'd highly recommend it.
Melt ideally needs a new Master, and Mr. Normal also needs one to be obtained in the future.
Double reminder: If you make a Master, you're okayed for a second Servant. Just saying.
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A response to a response, mostly to clarify on the ones that you discussed and not the ones that were easily answered (therefore I can forgo talking about Hokusai, Nobu, Ozy, Angra)
A response to a response, mostly to clarify on the ones that you discussed and not the ones that were easily answered (therefore I can forgo talking about Hokusai, Nobu, Ozy, Angra)
I'll be brief as possible on Abigail, Yea I was mainly asking due to the fact that she is capable of some real fuckery in terms of servant combat with her mindscrew. Though I think that even with Clairvoyence, her outerform would likely be enigmatic, since its meant to be an unknown factor. Likewise the only reason the GO servants could even stand up to her going full on outer-god. Was because of Sheba and circes efforts closing the gates on the inside. But because 1, I don't think having full on outer-god abigail would help anyone have a good nights sleep (even the master) and the likely restrictions the grail would put on such an enigmatic entity I'd say yea we should probably just leave her gates being semi-sealed so servants don't instantly feel the 'nothingness' from a very angry child. So if anything she'll be weaker then Salem Abigail.
Because in my eyes, no servant should constantly teeter between normal and Threat to humanity instantaneously.
Now Dantes I asked about because of the fact his kit allows him to function at a high degree regardless of his master (avenger class bias afterall) And also that his primary phantasm of Enfer Château d'If, technically allows him the speed to dodge *anything* that isn't manipulating causality. Moving onto the other issue in his kit, Monte Cristo Mythologie, a weapon that renders itself extremely potent against servants due to being both anti-magic and anti-soul, which is effectively an anti-servant weapon.
[Oh and I asked about King Solomon mostly as a joke, but also partially to see your view on that. Since you didn't have any mention of him on the list.]
Because in my eyes, no servant should constantly teeter between normal and Threat to humanity instantaneously.
Now Dantes I asked about because of the fact his kit allows him to function at a high degree regardless of his master (avenger class bias afterall) And also that his primary phantasm of Enfer Château d'If, technically allows him the speed to dodge *anything* that isn't manipulating causality. Moving onto the other issue in his kit, Monte Cristo Mythologie, a weapon that renders itself extremely potent against servants due to being both anti-magic and anti-soul, which is effectively an anti-servant weapon.
[Oh and I asked about King Solomon mostly as a joke, but also partially to see your view on that. Since you didn't have any mention of him on the list.]
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Name: Odysseus, Lost King of Liars
Gender: Male
Birth and Death Dates: Age of Gods
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Weapon: Bow, Axe, CQC (Pankration)
Appearance
Personality:
A worldly man with a strong amount of self-confidence that extends well beyond hubris. Wise and intelligent, yet will occasionally gloat about his various victories. Acts as a cool professional, treating his Master as a "client" and doing as he's told so long as his own ego is appeased. Prone to bouts of wanderlust in a world free of gods. Aside from his gruff exterior, is quite the charmer. The wish of Odysseus is incarnation, having some "unfinished business" he needs to take care of, despite being reluctant about it. However, due to the circumstances of his summoning...
Parameters:
Strength: C
Endurance: C
Agility: B
Mana: D
Luck: E
Class Skills:
Independent Action: A
Class skill of the Archer class. Allows one’s actions even in the absence of their Master. However, in a situation where one uses an enormous amount of magical energy, backup from their Master becomes necessary. At this rank, it is possible for the Servant to stay in the world for about a week without a Master. Accustomed to traveling alone after being lost at sea for 10 years, Odysseus naturally has a high rank in this skill.
Magic Resistance: B
Class skill of the Knight classes. Grants protection against magical effects, cancelling spells cast on the wielder altogether. Cancel spells with a chant below three verses. Even if targeted by High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals, it is difficult for this Servant to be affected. Odysseus was capable of resisting the charms of the great witch Circe after consuming a magical herb given to him by Hermes.
Personal Skills:
Eye of the Mind (True): A+
Heightened insight cultivated through training and experience. Allows the analysis of the abilities of the opponent as well as the battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. So long there is even a 1% chance of a comeback, this ability greatly improves the chances of winning. Through his cunning mind, Odysseus was able to bring victory for the Achaeans in the Trojan War as well as escape multiple predicaments on his way home. As his legend comprised of him accomplishing impossible feats mainly through his wits, it could be said that Odysseus's mind is his strongest weapon, his instincts refined enough to border the supernatural and allowing him to perform high-speed calculations.
Divine Wisdom for Sailing: C
The ability to discern the path ahead with certainty. A form of divine insight that allows the user to distinguish the best possible course to reach a destination which was used to traverse through treacherous waters and even the Underworld. A skill that Odysseus uses with reluctance due to its association with a certain witch, believing it to be some sort of curse. However, when used in conjunction with his abilities of analysis and prediction, a form of precognition can be utilized.
Nostos: A
Personal skill of Odysseus representing his famous journey and a mutation of the Disengage skill. The will to return home despite facing various tribulations and temptations. A form of endurance that allows Odysseus to overcome countless hardships in order to reach the end of his journey, allowing him to escape from all matter of fatal situations so long as his destination lies elsewhere. It is best described a powerful curse that ensures the owner's survival further enhanced by his desire to return home. However, because this skill represents the owner's fate of facing a long and arduous journey filled with adversity, it is guaranteed that Odysseus will encounter calamity, as represented by his low rank in Luck.
Noble Phantasms
Οὖτις
My Name Is Nobody
Type: Anti-Unit (Self)
Rank: C
Range: 0
Maximum Number Of Targets: 1
A conceptual defense based off of Ulysses' nature to disguise himself to trick others and a crystallization of the act of outsmarting the cyclops, Polyphemus, by saying that he was "Nobody", therefore evading and later outsmarting the cyclops from eating him and his men. A continuously active effect that masks Ulysses's identity by being "Nobody", allowing Ulysses to obscure anything related to his True Name such as Noble Phantasms and inherent Personal Skills. It is through this Noble Phantasm that Ulysses is able to remain innocuous, hiding his true weapons and capabilities from others as a means of deception.
Through a blessing granted to him by the goddess Athena, Odysseus is also capable of altering his appearance to a degree, allowing him to utilize disguises such as that of a harmless beggar and forcing his presence from being detected as hostile. However, the act of disguising as other Greek Heroic Spirits and further altering the appearance of his statuses are incapable of being utilized in this class container. It could be said that this Noble Phantasm is also a representation of Odysseus's acting skills. An almost foolproof disguise if not for one particular flaw, the disguises provided by this Noble Phantasm are ineffective to those who know the true name of Odysseus, whether it is from Odysseus saying it himself or by associating that "Odysseus is Nobody." Of course due to the Servant's very nature, such a disguise is quite fragile.
Tóxo Apóllona
Trial of the Twelve Axe Shafts
Type: Anti-Army, Anti-Suitor
Rank: B+
Range: 1~50
Maximum Number Of Targets: 12
A crystallization of the trial Odysseus's wife Penelope devised for her suitors in order to prove their worth in marrying her. The test was to be able to string Odysseus's bow and fire an arrow through twelve axe shafts, a feat only Odysseus was able to achieve. The Noble Phantasm grants Odysseus the ability to manifest the axes used in this trial. The axes do not carry any noteworthy effects and can simply be used as weapons. Odysseus shows enough proficiency in these axes to where they can be utilized as throwing weapons, and he uses these axes as his main weapon while under the effects of Outis since they aren't directly associated with him. Odysseus is only able to use up to twelve of these axes at a time and they are capable of staying manifested within the world once thrown. It is only after twelve of these axes are deployed in the battlefield that this Noble Phantasm is able to show is true nature.
Upon invocation, Odysseus draws his bow, firing an arrow meant to recreate the act of "shooting through twelve axe shafts." The arrow will fly through impossible angles, shifting its trajectory mid flight in order to accomplish this feat until the last axe is struck, where it would then fly normally. The arrow gains phenomenal piercing power as it is capable of attacking multiple times with this single arrow, whether it be striking down a group of foes or overwhelming one with attacks from all angles. The only things that could stop this arrow from its flight are walls or defenses solid enough to where the arrow would just break upon impact, if it is caught, or if it is stopped by an effect that specifically defends against ranged attacks such as Protection from Arrows.
Odysseus is capable of changing the trajectory of the arrows on his own so long as they accomplish the feat of "shooting through twelve axe shafts". In other words, he is incapable of changing the trajectory of the arrow unless it hits an axe, allowing it to be stopped if it is caught between one axe and another. It should be noted that after striking an axe, it would be destroyed, therefore not allowing Odysseus to utilize this Noble Phantasm again unless he resets the battlefield with twelve more axes. Also, because this Noble Phantasm is tied to an event that confirms his identity, those who witness Odysseus firing the arrow or hear its invocation are automatically notified of Odysseus's identity. A cunning attack fit for the hands of Odysseus, its tactical applications are matched only by the flashiness of this technique. It should also be noted that the arrows that Odysseus carries are the poisoned arrows of Heracles retrieved from Philoctetes.
Stray Archer
Name: Odysseus, Lost King of Liars
Gender: Male
Birth and Death Dates: Age of Gods
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Weapon: Bow, Axe, CQC (Pankration)
Appearance
Personality:
A worldly man with a strong amount of self-confidence that extends well beyond hubris. Wise and intelligent, yet will occasionally gloat about his various victories. Acts as a cool professional, treating his Master as a "client" and doing as he's told so long as his own ego is appeased. Prone to bouts of wanderlust in a world free of gods. Aside from his gruff exterior, is quite the charmer. The wish of Odysseus is incarnation, having some "unfinished business" he needs to take care of, despite being reluctant about it. However, due to the circumstances of his summoning...
Parameters:
Strength: C
Endurance: C
Agility: B
Mana: D
Luck: E
Class Skills:
Independent Action: A
Class skill of the Archer class. Allows one’s actions even in the absence of their Master. However, in a situation where one uses an enormous amount of magical energy, backup from their Master becomes necessary. At this rank, it is possible for the Servant to stay in the world for about a week without a Master. Accustomed to traveling alone after being lost at sea for 10 years, Odysseus naturally has a high rank in this skill.
Magic Resistance: B
Class skill of the Knight classes. Grants protection against magical effects, cancelling spells cast on the wielder altogether. Cancel spells with a chant below three verses. Even if targeted by High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals, it is difficult for this Servant to be affected. Odysseus was capable of resisting the charms of the great witch Circe after consuming a magical herb given to him by Hermes.
Personal Skills:
Eye of the Mind (True): A+
Heightened insight cultivated through training and experience. Allows the analysis of the abilities of the opponent as well as the battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. So long there is even a 1% chance of a comeback, this ability greatly improves the chances of winning. Through his cunning mind, Odysseus was able to bring victory for the Achaeans in the Trojan War as well as escape multiple predicaments on his way home. As his legend comprised of him accomplishing impossible feats mainly through his wits, it could be said that Odysseus's mind is his strongest weapon, his instincts refined enough to border the supernatural and allowing him to perform high-speed calculations.
Divine Wisdom for Sailing: C
The ability to discern the path ahead with certainty. A form of divine insight that allows the user to distinguish the best possible course to reach a destination which was used to traverse through treacherous waters and even the Underworld. A skill that Odysseus uses with reluctance due to its association with a certain witch, believing it to be some sort of curse. However, when used in conjunction with his abilities of analysis and prediction, a form of precognition can be utilized.
Nostos: A
Personal skill of Odysseus representing his famous journey and a mutation of the Disengage skill. The will to return home despite facing various tribulations and temptations. A form of endurance that allows Odysseus to overcome countless hardships in order to reach the end of his journey, allowing him to escape from all matter of fatal situations so long as his destination lies elsewhere. It is best described a powerful curse that ensures the owner's survival further enhanced by his desire to return home. However, because this skill represents the owner's fate of facing a long and arduous journey filled with adversity, it is guaranteed that Odysseus will encounter calamity, as represented by his low rank in Luck.
Noble Phantasms
Οὖτις
My Name Is Nobody
Type: Anti-Unit (Self)
Rank: C
Range: 0
Maximum Number Of Targets: 1
A conceptual defense based off of Ulysses' nature to disguise himself to trick others and a crystallization of the act of outsmarting the cyclops, Polyphemus, by saying that he was "Nobody", therefore evading and later outsmarting the cyclops from eating him and his men. A continuously active effect that masks Ulysses's identity by being "Nobody", allowing Ulysses to obscure anything related to his True Name such as Noble Phantasms and inherent Personal Skills. It is through this Noble Phantasm that Ulysses is able to remain innocuous, hiding his true weapons and capabilities from others as a means of deception.
Through a blessing granted to him by the goddess Athena, Odysseus is also capable of altering his appearance to a degree, allowing him to utilize disguises such as that of a harmless beggar and forcing his presence from being detected as hostile. However, the act of disguising as other Greek Heroic Spirits and further altering the appearance of his statuses are incapable of being utilized in this class container. It could be said that this Noble Phantasm is also a representation of Odysseus's acting skills. An almost foolproof disguise if not for one particular flaw, the disguises provided by this Noble Phantasm are ineffective to those who know the true name of Odysseus, whether it is from Odysseus saying it himself or by associating that "Odysseus is Nobody." Of course due to the Servant's very nature, such a disguise is quite fragile.
Tóxo Apóllona
Trial of the Twelve Axe Shafts
Type: Anti-Army, Anti-Suitor
Rank: B+
Range: 1~50
Maximum Number Of Targets: 12
A crystallization of the trial Odysseus's wife Penelope devised for her suitors in order to prove their worth in marrying her. The test was to be able to string Odysseus's bow and fire an arrow through twelve axe shafts, a feat only Odysseus was able to achieve. The Noble Phantasm grants Odysseus the ability to manifest the axes used in this trial. The axes do not carry any noteworthy effects and can simply be used as weapons. Odysseus shows enough proficiency in these axes to where they can be utilized as throwing weapons, and he uses these axes as his main weapon while under the effects of Outis since they aren't directly associated with him. Odysseus is only able to use up to twelve of these axes at a time and they are capable of staying manifested within the world once thrown. It is only after twelve of these axes are deployed in the battlefield that this Noble Phantasm is able to show is true nature.
Upon invocation, Odysseus draws his bow, firing an arrow meant to recreate the act of "shooting through twelve axe shafts." The arrow will fly through impossible angles, shifting its trajectory mid flight in order to accomplish this feat until the last axe is struck, where it would then fly normally. The arrow gains phenomenal piercing power as it is capable of attacking multiple times with this single arrow, whether it be striking down a group of foes or overwhelming one with attacks from all angles. The only things that could stop this arrow from its flight are walls or defenses solid enough to where the arrow would just break upon impact, if it is caught, or if it is stopped by an effect that specifically defends against ranged attacks such as Protection from Arrows.
Odysseus is capable of changing the trajectory of the arrows on his own so long as they accomplish the feat of "shooting through twelve axe shafts". In other words, he is incapable of changing the trajectory of the arrow unless it hits an axe, allowing it to be stopped if it is caught between one axe and another. It should be noted that after striking an axe, it would be destroyed, therefore not allowing Odysseus to utilize this Noble Phantasm again unless he resets the battlefield with twelve more axes. Also, because this Noble Phantasm is tied to an event that confirms his identity, those who witness Odysseus firing the arrow or hear its invocation are automatically notified of Odysseus's identity. A cunning attack fit for the hands of Odysseus, its tactical applications are matched only by the flashiness of this technique. It should also be noted that the arrows that Odysseus carries are the poisoned arrows of Heracles retrieved from Philoctetes.
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Oh lordie, Archer instead of Rider? That's wild.
And Snake for a FC? Niceeee.
I mean, he'd probably pair up well with the Blood Iron Princess, but at the same time...
And Snake for a FC? Niceeee.
I mean, he'd probably pair up well with the Blood Iron Princess, but at the same time...
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First things first, let's NOT talk plot details out of spoilers please...
Second general thing: you're assuming that all NPs and skills are always active here, such as Abby's and Dantes.
Okay, on Abigail: she would by necessity be weaker than in Salem because Salem was a completely ridiculous case.
Dantes: sure, he has powerful NPs. His skills are also bad. Enfer Chateau d'If obviously isn't permanent, because his Agility is merely C--it's an activated ability with the associated drawbacks and costs. Monte Cristo Mythologie is useful, but it's also only C-Ranked; what the wording specifies is that the flames it creates are able to harm souls. This is useful (it's a magical attack and can harm Servants) but also not the same as "super effective against Servants". Like, that's the bare minimum to hurt them. It's all fine.
Second general thing: you're assuming that all NPs and skills are always active here, such as Abby's and Dantes.
Okay, on Abigail: she would by necessity be weaker than in Salem because Salem was a completely ridiculous case.
She was A) still alive and everything, not a Servant, which is always a benefit (compare how absurd CasGil wound up being even whilst restricting himself because his offensive power wouldn't help), and B) had gone completely out of it and wanted to destroy the world. Even whilst indulging her powers when summoned, it's limited to anti-unit because she's not a bad person. Anti-unit that cannot instantly kill Servants. That's not Gil-tier. The theoretical ability to drive everyone in the world insane if you're literally tortured into it and not stopped in time (this scenario seems to allow for similar observation and containment; the OP mentions Animusphere) is not comparable to Gil being able to, well... Avalon will let you survive. Otherwise the city would probably be destroyed at minimum before enough anti-unit NPs were used.
Dantes: sure, he has powerful NPs. His skills are also bad. Enfer Chateau d'If obviously isn't permanent, because his Agility is merely C--it's an activated ability with the associated drawbacks and costs. Monte Cristo Mythologie is useful, but it's also only C-Ranked; what the wording specifies is that the flames it creates are able to harm souls. This is useful (it's a magical attack and can harm Servants) but also not the same as "super effective against Servants". Like, that's the bare minimum to hurt them. It's all fine.
Ignoring the fact that his mere application does kind of spoil the entirety of the first arc of Grand Order, and Solomon being horribly broken...
The guy is just plain unsuitable as a Servant because of his connection to God. It's basically bullying. And there's no way to app Roman.
The guy is just plain unsuitable as a Servant because of his connection to God. It's basically bullying. And there's no way to app Roman.
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Firstly, I am merely operating under the statement that a servants NP is fit for deployment whenever (barring some instances) Not that it is constantly active. Otherwise... Ea would have its only weakness removed (the charge up time, since the drill has to spin up first before it can pierce the heavens as it were), everything else is based on the flat-terrian without cover model.
Abigail-
Well, that is merely what I was saying about Abigail, but in a more concise way for everyone else. Thanks for translating my drivel. ^^
But unto Dantes we go.
Servant parameters are not truely indicative of a servants true strength. Quetzacoatl for instance has ridiculously high parameters compared to most other servants and yet she would suffer greatly in a fight against say... Karna for instance. Servant Parameters are made solely to show who would win in a fight without NP's since riders are generally much more potent on their steeds etc. To call into question parameters even more so Edmond Dantes has what is effectively the same stat that allowed Saber to survive Gae Bolg, but then some. Since the Luck stat actually lets you shrug off these things and Dantes has so much of it, its above EX and yet also below EX for reasons I said in a post 2 posts down.
Likewise Dante's Maximum Drifto Manuever seems solely dependent on him having the mana to sustain it since his iron-willed determination and his wait and hope negate any physical downsides. Likewise there is nothing saying the skill enters a cooldown period so there is nothing stopping him using it as pseudo teleportion since its fast enough that it creates *multiple* afterimages. Mana is also a non-issue due to the avenger classification which sustains the servant by their sheer revenge fantasys (and they also generate mana through damage and this NP technically is painful as hell, only not being painful because of Iron-Will). So there is not really anything stopping him from say... going the assassin method and murdering the master of the servant because lightspeed movement is difficult to dodge
I must stress this is all hypothetical merely discussing why not to overlook Dante's skills
Firstly, I am merely operating under the statement that a servants NP is fit for deployment whenever (barring some instances) Not that it is constantly active. Otherwise... Ea would have its only weakness removed (the charge up time, since the drill has to spin up first before it can pierce the heavens as it were), everything else is based on the flat-terrian without cover model.
Abigail-
Well, that is merely what I was saying about Abigail, but in a more concise way for everyone else. Thanks for translating my drivel. ^^
But unto Dantes we go.
Servant parameters are not truely indicative of a servants true strength. Quetzacoatl for instance has ridiculously high parameters compared to most other servants and yet she would suffer greatly in a fight against say... Karna for instance. Servant Parameters are made solely to show who would win in a fight without NP's since riders are generally much more potent on their steeds etc. To call into question parameters even more so Edmond Dantes has what is effectively the same stat that allowed Saber to survive Gae Bolg, but then some. Since the Luck stat actually lets you shrug off these things and Dantes has so much of it, its above EX and yet also below EX for reasons I said in a post 2 posts down.
Likewise Dante's Maximum Drifto Manuever seems solely dependent on him having the mana to sustain it since his iron-willed determination and his wait and hope negate any physical downsides. Likewise there is nothing saying the skill enters a cooldown period so there is nothing stopping him using it as pseudo teleportion since its fast enough that it creates *multiple* afterimages. Mana is also a non-issue due to the avenger classification which sustains the servant by their sheer revenge fantasys (and they also generate mana through damage and this NP technically is painful as hell, only not being painful because of Iron-Will). So there is not really anything stopping him from say... going the assassin method and murdering the master of the servant because lightspeed movement is difficult to dodge
I must stress this is all hypothetical merely discussing why not to overlook Dante's skills
@1Charak2Uh... Dantes does not have EX-rank Luck. Dantes does not even have a Luck stat because his luck is that bad.
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Dante's Luck is actually extreme on both ends of the spectrum. It is extremely good and extremely bad, and thus falls under unquantifiable. There is a reason people compare Dantes to Nagito besides of course the artist.
To call dante's extreme luck in his lore.
Extremely good luck -> Meeting the Old man
Extremely bad luck -> The reason why he even met the old man in the first place.
Course this is noticably worse then always having good luck, but not as bad as always having bad luck.
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Dante's Luck is actually extreme on both ends of the spectrum. It is extremely good and extremely bad, and thus falls under unquantifiable. There is a reason people compare Dantes to Nagito besides of course the artist.
To call dante's extreme luck in his lore.
Extremely good luck -> Meeting the Old man
Extremely bad luck -> The reason why he even met the old man in the first place.
Course this is noticably worse then always having good luck, but not as bad as always having bad luck.
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Okay let's stop and break this down a bit...
True, but permanently active NPs are reflected by changes in parameters. Things that are always on are included.
1) Above EX is impossible. EX-Rank is unrankable luck. That is what EX is. "I have more than unrankable luck!" is not a thing that makes sense.
2) He has no Luck stat. This is the worst possible Luck. Wisdom of Crisis allows him to call on luck in dangerous situations (that's the Extra Material translation)... but he has no luck stat. And even then that would be A-ranked Luck at best. As he insists, he's not Edmond Dantes. He's the Count of Monte Cristo. He's an embodiment of vengeance whose hate will never cool and who will never get a reprieve.
3) A repeat: he only has any luck in specific situations, and it's still finite.
There is indeed someone with EX-rank Luck. They beat up Poseidon and got a wish-granting device, sinking Atlantis. By accident.
... okay where are you drawing these baffling conclusions from. Grand Order and its extra materials are fairly terse on Noble Phantasms. Most Noble Phantasms need to be activated. Those that are not are called out as being always active (and are fairly obviously generally NOT their activated Noble Phantasm in Grand Order). There is nothing suggesting that Enfer Chateau d'If is perpetually active. Or that trying to use it for a long period of time would not drain him to the bone. Sure, he has Self Replenishment: it's also a shitty, shitty rank. He is marginally above Angra Mainyu's marginal amount of energy per "turn"; this probably works out as equivalent to Independent Action of the same rank. He might generate far more when being attacked, but that's more on top of a poor rate. It balances out.
Seriously, Enfer Chateau d'If has a fixed number of targets and is Anti-Unit/Anti-Army. That's a generally handy indication it cannot operate infinitely and is not a perpetual speed buff.
Attendre, Espérer he can't use on himself. He can resurrect someone else and give them a parameter buff. It does not help. Similarly, Iron-Willed Determination is Calm and Collected + Bravery--it lets him use NPs, it doesn't let him use them infinitely.
I think you're seriously overestimating what Dantes can pull off. We know what he could do alive: he killed one of Roa's incarnations. That's a great achievement, but Roa's incarnations aren't on the level of Servants. What he can do is fight far older servants on an even footing, but he's not any more powerful than Saber would be even at his best.
Servant parameters are not truely indicative of a servants true strength.
True, but permanently active NPs are reflected by changes in parameters. Things that are always on are included.
Since the Luck stat actually lets you shrug off these things and Dantes has so much of it, its above EX
1) Above EX is impossible. EX-Rank is unrankable luck. That is what EX is. "I have more than unrankable luck!" is not a thing that makes sense.
2) He has no Luck stat. This is the worst possible Luck. Wisdom of Crisis allows him to call on luck in dangerous situations (that's the Extra Material translation)... but he has no luck stat. And even then that would be A-ranked Luck at best. As he insists, he's not Edmond Dantes. He's the Count of Monte Cristo. He's an embodiment of vengeance whose hate will never cool and who will never get a reprieve.
3) A repeat: he only has any luck in specific situations, and it's still finite.
There is indeed someone with EX-rank Luck. They beat up Poseidon and got a wish-granting device, sinking Atlantis. By accident.
Likewise Dante's Maximum Drifto Manuever seems solely dependent on him having the mana to sustain it since his iron-willed determination and his wait and hope negate any physical downsides. Likewise there is nothing saying the skill enters a cooldown period so there is nothing stopping him using it as pseudo teleportion since its fast enough that it creates *multiple* afterimages. Mana is also a non-issue due to the avenger classification which sustains the servant by their sheer revenge fantasys (and they also generate mana through damage and this NP technically is painful as hell, only not being painful because of Iron-Will). So there is not really anything stopping him from say... going the assassin method and murdering the master of the servant because lightspeed movement is difficult to dodge
... okay where are you drawing these baffling conclusions from. Grand Order and its extra materials are fairly terse on Noble Phantasms. Most Noble Phantasms need to be activated. Those that are not are called out as being always active (and are fairly obviously generally NOT their activated Noble Phantasm in Grand Order). There is nothing suggesting that Enfer Chateau d'If is perpetually active. Or that trying to use it for a long period of time would not drain him to the bone. Sure, he has Self Replenishment: it's also a shitty, shitty rank. He is marginally above Angra Mainyu's marginal amount of energy per "turn"; this probably works out as equivalent to Independent Action of the same rank. He might generate far more when being attacked, but that's more on top of a poor rate. It balances out.
Seriously, Enfer Chateau d'If has a fixed number of targets and is Anti-Unit/Anti-Army. That's a generally handy indication it cannot operate infinitely and is not a perpetual speed buff.
Attendre, Espérer he can't use on himself. He can resurrect someone else and give them a parameter buff. It does not help. Similarly, Iron-Willed Determination is Calm and Collected + Bravery--it lets him use NPs, it doesn't let him use them infinitely.
I think you're seriously overestimating what Dantes can pull off. We know what he could do alive: he killed one of Roa's incarnations. That's a great achievement, but Roa's incarnations aren't on the level of Servants. What he can do is fight far older servants on an even footing, but he's not any more powerful than Saber would be even at his best.
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Snake? I'm sorry, all I see is Iroquois Pliskin, sole survivor of SEAL Team 10...
And yeah, I think the potential dynamic between Serene and Odysseus seems quite fun given Odysseus's past experiences, especially considering the fact that he's a Servant someone would have a hard time trusting.
Snake? I'm sorry, all I see is Iroquois Pliskin, sole survivor of SEAL Team 10...
And yeah, I think the potential dynamic between Serene and Odysseus seems quite fun given Odysseus's past experiences, especially considering the fact that he's a Servant someone would have a hard time trusting.
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(moving on from talking about subjective brokenness)
He is Edmond Dantes, as the grail summons the servant in its prime of life. (In this case the count), The main reason for his refusal of being Edmond Dantes and the fact that even though he has memories of the ending to dantes story, is that oblivion correction forces him to remember all the pain and suffering he had inflicted upon him, leading him to perpetually be stuck in his revenge state of mind, That is afterall a caveat of the avenger class in that they cannot forget, That and well his mistress isn't alive to prevent his murderous compulsion
Source 1: His True Name is indeed Edmond Dantes, but he perceives himself as a different person from the "Edmond Dantes" who was a seaman from Marseille. The reason being that "Edmond Dantes" abandoned his evil nature at the end of the gruesome revenge tragedy in Paris... but I, who manifested as a Servant, continue to be the "image of a nemesis". In that case, I am not Edmond - or so he says <- This is eternally due to the nature of his class container.
Source 2: My beloved mistress (Haydee) is nowhere in this world, so this body shall remain a demon of vengeance for all eternity--
Source 3: Memory Correction is a Class Skill of the Avenger class. People are creatures that forget many things, but an Avenger never forgets. The critical effect of Avengers who attack from beyond one's memory is strengthened.
Dantes has been shown in the EoR trailer for Shinjuku to use his NP as a means of movement without appearing to even break a sweat doing so however it does seem he is not even close to using his top speed (since even if we factor in servant speeds, the speed dante is moving is nto even close to the speed of light aka his top speed with the NP), other then this, it hasn't actually been shown if Dantes can use his NP as a means of travelling, as his NP generally shows him using it to launch a multi directional attack, which is so fast it is akin to a time stop.
However the way it functions appears that the NP is flexible in its speed and therefore its duration, Obviously Dantes going all out could simultaneously only defeat 100 people maximum with 1 NP activation however, that only appears if he is going all out speed of light. Not really factoring in the fact it appears he can use the NP in a diluted fashion for bursts of speed.
Notice in the first three seconds that Dantes is moving at a speed that is re-actionable , meaning that he isn't using his full output. So hes either conserving mana or holding back. but this does show the np can be used in a diluted state.
(moving on from talking about subjective brokenness)
He is Edmond Dantes, as the grail summons the servant in its prime of life. (In this case the count), The main reason for his refusal of being Edmond Dantes and the fact that even though he has memories of the ending to dantes story, is that oblivion correction forces him to remember all the pain and suffering he had inflicted upon him, leading him to perpetually be stuck in his revenge state of mind, That is afterall a caveat of the avenger class in that they cannot forget, That and well his mistress isn't alive to prevent his murderous compulsion
Source 1: His True Name is indeed Edmond Dantes, but he perceives himself as a different person from the "Edmond Dantes" who was a seaman from Marseille. The reason being that "Edmond Dantes" abandoned his evil nature at the end of the gruesome revenge tragedy in Paris... but I, who manifested as a Servant, continue to be the "image of a nemesis". In that case, I am not Edmond - or so he says <- This is eternally due to the nature of his class container.
Source 2: My beloved mistress (Haydee) is nowhere in this world, so this body shall remain a demon of vengeance for all eternity--
Source 3: Memory Correction is a Class Skill of the Avenger class. People are creatures that forget many things, but an Avenger never forgets. The critical effect of Avengers who attack from beyond one's memory is strengthened.
Dantes has been shown in the EoR trailer for Shinjuku to use his NP as a means of movement without appearing to even break a sweat doing so however it does seem he is not even close to using his top speed (since even if we factor in servant speeds, the speed dante is moving is nto even close to the speed of light aka his top speed with the NP), other then this, it hasn't actually been shown if Dantes can use his NP as a means of travelling, as his NP generally shows him using it to launch a multi directional attack, which is so fast it is akin to a time stop.
However the way it functions appears that the NP is flexible in its speed and therefore its duration, Obviously Dantes going all out could simultaneously only defeat 100 people maximum with 1 NP activation however, that only appears if he is going all out speed of light. Not really factoring in the fact it appears he can use the NP in a diluted fashion for bursts of speed.
Notice in the first three seconds that Dantes is moving at a speed that is re-actionable , meaning that he isn't using his full output. So hes either conserving mana or holding back. but this does show the np can be used in a diluted state.
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Again, where the hell are you pulling this from. That, and trailers are meant to look cool, not be any sort of evidence. There is no evidence that it isn't activated like any other NP and thus limited like any other NP. Including the whole "reveal identity" shenanigans.
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