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Snake? I'm sorry, all I see is Iroquois Pliskin, sole survivor of SEAL Team 10...

And yeah, I think the potential dynamic between Serene and Odysseus seems quite fun given Odysseus's past experiences, especially considering the fact that he's a Servant someone would have a hard time trusting.


Sure, all I see is David, the badass boy(unless I'm mistaking him for the dad, my knowledge of MGS is sparse, but specific in some spots, like the Boss being a woman)

And then there's the fact his master is an attractive woman who's also "a stone cold bitch" who's actually just a really emotionally damaged kid. She was raised in isolation her entire life and never allowed much. But yeah, we can discuss it further if no one else pops out to me. If someone were to make the Father of Computers...I'm sorry but I have no choice but to summon him because Serene would, and besides, I can exploit his weakness.
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The first bit about Dante's viewing himself is pulled solely from tidbits about his lore presented in the extra content and the game content. Showing that his true name is indeed Edmond Dantes, yet hes having a crisis of consious because he has the memories that Edmond Dantes had a happy ending. Yet here he is, stuck in as a demon of revenge perpetually, without his mistress.

Many of this stuff I'm pulling for him comes from his Bond information you get in FGO, which apparently your wiki isn't showing.

Moving on from that. I have not once said that the activation of his NP would not reveal his true name. Merely I am expressing the fact that the potential exists for him to hold back how fast he is going (since the NP doesn't actually force him to move at all, rather its an expression of him breaking free of the prisons of body, time and space), likewise. His NP does not appear to have a cooldown or rest period required between activations beyond mana. So really your not really showing why Dantes couldn't activate it, stop activating it and activate it again in order to achieve short but efficient bursts of movement. Afterall, it doesn't appear to be an NP like Excalibur where he has to go all in at once, The Attack at the end afterall isn't actually part of the NP, merely what he decides to do as an attack during the NP.

So what I am saying is, is that Dante's speed Hax, has alot of flexiblity.

So moving back to what I said, What is stopping him bar mana supply (and nto even that due to avenger class skills) from spamming his NP a little bit in order to move with quick bursts, (this of course doesn't mean hes agile in fisticuffs, it just means he can cover alot of ground)

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I've rolled Dantes (twice, but I only have the account I just rolled him in nowadays; not the one with level-90 bond 6 dante). I know his bond lines. They're also here. The rest of the bond-locked info is clearly revealed at the bottom of the page in the wiki, so it's not like any of his profile is in doubt. He firmly insists he's not Edmond Dantes. The rest is that he goes on a rant in his event, if you recall.

Either way his luck is nonexistent. That he has a skill that merely gives luck is a pretty damning indictment of his luck.

"I can speed up from C rank Agility to fast but not do more than that unless I go all out, at the cost of mana!" places him squarely with... Okita. Okita has a literal speed teleportation ability. One, that's not broken; and two, Dantes' is an NP so it's activated to some degree and burns mana. And it's a Noble Phantasm, not a skill, which is extra bad for our edgy friend here, because it IS a giveaway.

There is no reason to believe he has infinite mana--both based on his given sources and crappy rank of Self-Replenishment. So it's a finite speed buff that will quickly and rapidly degrade his fighting ability, because his combat style is entirely based upon spamming magical attacks as he has neither a weapon, nor armour, nor experience fighting legendary warriors.
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@Cu Chulainn: Yeah, accepted. We've run this through, so yeah.

As for the whole debate about Servant strength... I'm backing up Rain here, honestly. It feels like the arguments made are far more solid and using more reputable sources (the material books, profile info, etc.;) and the logic is far more solid. Anyways.

@TheFake: After debating elsewhere and stuff, Lugh accepted.
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I just feel that the notion of this came off on the wrong foot. I was never saying Dantes was stronger then Gil, Although he technically could do some damage to Gilgamesh while Gil is charging up Ea, I do not think that a Gilgamesh going serious would have any issue with the count, even if serious gilgamesh is a rarity.. I was saying Dantes is scary because of how 'hit and run' the NP can be used as. Time stops like what this NP is capable of doing with, due to its space-time breaking levels of speed. Effectively render fights against the count to always be escort missions where one failed defense results in an immediate lost except the enemy has speed haxs and you are lagging.

This was the Issue with Dantes, not his servant v servant capablities, but playing him as an assassin. With speed like that, you don't need sneaking.

SO TLDR: to avoid using Dantes as quite possibly the strongest Hit and Run user this side of Achilles, I wanted to add the capacity that dantes can lower his speed for an increase duration to his NP, which reveals his true name not that it is an issue since the moment he uses his weapon it does that anyway.

With the increased duration of a sustain speed boost making him fast, but not unreactionably fast, Count can burn mana for speed, making healthy fast paced servant fights, which brings up his sustain a bit, while still making him a glass cannon (since hes burning mana for both attacks and movement) without resorting to the logical conclusion of murdering the servants mana supply in a manner that anyone without a reality deafying NP would have difficults defending against.

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@1Charak2: I'd like to point out that this isn't a Grail War so there's not really an issue as it's arranged anyway.

Additionally, um...

I think the main thrust here is that most of your ideas were acceptable? I don't know why you're trying to argue that they'd be too overpowered? ^^;
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@1Charak2: I'd like to point out that this isn't a Grail War so there's not really an issue as it's arranged anyway.

Additionally, um...

I think the main thrust here is that most of your ideas were acceptable? I don't know why you're trying to argue that they'd be too overpowered? ^^;


This is what 7am brain with no sleep does to you. Sorry I'll stop yammering now and work on a sheet.

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Moved to the Characters tab! Also, I made the wording for Divine Wisdom a bit less awkward and made it more clear on its intended effect, if that's fine. I can change it back to the original if you prefer, though.

If someone were to make the Father of Computers...I'm sorry but I have no choice but to summon him because Serene would, and besides, I can exploit his weakness.


I-I can't believe you're going with Babbage when I can just as easily make a weapon to surpass Metal Gear...


That said, yeah, the characterization is on point and what I was implying to earlier. It's a pretty natural pair, to be fair.
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Huh, neat, I missed how you were implying to it, lol. Well, it would also be ironic. The master who seeks the future and to push mankind into a new era, summoning a servant from the oldest era of servants. Though she'd need a catalyst I think...due to her alignment, I guess? I dunno, I didn't think about what would happen if she summoned blindly.

If it was the character this one is based on, then it would be one of the modern tech boys, friend remarked that, and I thought about it and was like "honestly man, you're right." And then thought about how any of them would react to a dragon who hoards technology, lol. But honestly, all for it.

Meanwhile trying to come up with a second servant to be is hardddddd-
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I was trying not to pick another Saber for my second Servant...

  • Name: Arturia Pendragon
  • Class: Saber
  • Appearance: "Ex..."
  • Personality: A strong-willed, stubborn girl who is nevertheless extremely brave and filled with determination, Saber can be said to be one of the pinnacles of knightliness. Truly, she is the King of Knights. So dedicated is she to her knighthood that she considers herself to be a knight before she is anything else. While she is honorable and dedicated, she will not show mercy to her foes if they do not show honor and dignity themselves. A monster, it seems, will be treated as one. Saber has a strong sense of justice, and in all likelihood would first seek to eliminate any foes who choose to harm innocents or plan to do other actions that could be considered evil. Opponents who behave in an honorable fashion are treated with honor and respect, but Saber is not above concealing her weapon to gain an advantage in that regard. In spite of being a proud knight, Saber is riddled with regret and guilt for what she believes were her failures in ruling as King. While she adheres to a philosophy of a king ruling for their people, she still believes that it is her fault that Britain fell. Still, while she has these regrets, there is nothing that will stop her from her dedication to her knighthood nor her pride. In addition, Saber is also capable of being a kind and caring girl who shows concern for others. While she is proud and brave, she is also easily embarrassed and flustered.
  • Stats:
    • Strength: A
    • Endurance: B
    • Agility: B
    • Mana: A
    • Luck: A+
    • Noble Phantasm: A++
  • Class Skills:
    • Magic Resistance: A
    • Riding: B
  • Personal Skills:
    • Charisma: B. The capacity of one to stand as a beacon to others, a sort of natural charm exhibited by those who spent their lives as leaders. At the rank of B, it is sufficient for one who was the King of a country.
    • Instinct: A. Finely-honed battle instinct comparable to predicting the future, allowing Saber to instinctively react to and understand even incomprehensible attacks. Visual and auditory interference can be be partially negated through this ability.
    • Mana Burst: A. Via the use of her enormous mana supply granted by her mana core, Saber is capable of reinforcing her entire body with mana, greatly enhancing her parameters. Primarily the use of this skill is for physical defense and speed, though even a single strike can be massively empowered by applying this reinforcement.
  • Noble Phantasm(s):
    • Name: Excalibur: Sword of Promised Victory
    • Rank: A++
    • Type: Anti-Fortress
    • Appearance: The sword gifted by the Lady of the Lake
    • Effects: Excalibur is the peerless holy sword forged by the planet. Unmatched by anything but the Sword of Rupture used to split heaven and earth, it is an incredible destructive weapon, a perfect sword created with the purpose of defending the planet. It is considered beyond any other sword in existence, even those that may have technically been crafted with more skill then it is. Its edge is perfectly sharp and it is an excellent tool for piercing and cutting a target, and it is also capable of unleashing a small beam of mana in order to assault her foes. However, its true power is unleashed when it is invoked as a Noble Phantasm. When its name is invoked, Excalibur unleashes a massive wave of destructive mana that utterly annihilates everything it passes over, atomizing every single thing it comes in contact with. Its strength, even in a state where its full power cannot be unleashed due to being partially sealed, is sufficient to permanently scar the earth in a manner visible from space if the blade comes in contact with the planet while invoked. Even phantasmal beasts and evil deities from alternate dimensions are annihilated by the wave of mana released by the invocation of Excalibur. While this is certainly an incredibly destructive weapon, Saber is unable to use it very often due to its high potential for collateral damage and strain on her mana supply.

    • Name: Invisible Air: Barrier of the Wind King
    • Rank: C
    • Type: Anti-Unit
    • Appearance: N/A
    • Effects: Invisible Air is a sheath of wind that distorts and refracts light around whatever it encases. It is a simple form of magecraft that allows for the protection and obfuscation of anything it surrounds. Saber utilizes it to disguise the form of her sword, rendering it impossible to recognize the weapon she is using as anything other then something she wields with two hands. However, it can also be used as a form of projectile as well as a defense that can be applied to other objects. Saber may also utilize it in order to give herself a burst of speed, propelling herself towards her target in a manner similar to a rocket. When released to expose her sword's true appearance, it unleashes a shockwave that can damage opponents and knock them back.
  • Alignment: Lawful Good
  • Changes: N/A


... But I love her too much. She's probably different enough from Beni anyway that there's not too much overlap between my characters!
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@VitaVitaAR: You are really, really thirsty.
Anyways, accepted.

@Cu Chulainn @Reflection: Do let me know if you plan on drafting a Master, just so I can figure out how to handle starting this thing off.
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@PKMNB0Y Thinking of doing a martial artist as a Master, myself. That said, I may exchange my current Servant app for something else since I realized we're missing a certain class and I've been reading quite a bit of Slavic folk tales recently...

I'm not too keen on playing two Servants anyway, so I'll let you know if I do decide on the switch in a bit.
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  • Name: Arsene Lupin I
  • Class: Assassin
  • Appearance: "I always look so much younger without the sideburns."
  • Personality: Arsene Lupin is everything you'd expect from a French aristocrat- he has impeccable manners, is quite a charmer, speaks courteously, and is a master thief. As one of the progenitors of the Gentleman Thief archetype, Lupin does not steal to gain material wealth but for the thrill of the act itself. The innocent have nothing to fear from his crimes- like Robin Hood, they quite often stand to gain from them. He prefers to steal from those of deplorable character- or those who do not appreciate their art or treasure- and prefers to redistribute what he doesn't keep for himself to those more willing to share and appreciate their valuables. Despite his criminal nature, he's a thoroughly pleasant person, and loves nothing more than making friends and pursuing beautiful ladies. Just don't mention his still-living grandkids.
  • Stats:
    • Strength: C+
    • Endurance: D
    • Agility: A
    • Mana: E
    • Luck: B
    • Noble Phantasm: B+
  • Class Skills:
    Presence Concealment (A)
  • Personal Skills:

    • Charisma (C)- Lupin maintained a sizeable network of criminals. Some say that it still operates today, so great was the loyalty of its members.
    • Disengage (A+)- Lupin is an expert in evading the authorities- and pursuers.
    • Expert of Many Specializations (A)- Lupin, in order to achieve his criminal ambitions, made a broad study of a number of martial arts, scientific disciplines, and professional skills. These skills include Academia, Eye For Art, Human Observation, Instinct, Lucha Libre, Medical Techniques, Musical SKill, Natural Insight, Ninjutsu, Oriental Martial Arts, Poison Resistance, Yoga, and many more. He can use these skills at a proficiency of B rank.
    • Hideout Creation (A)- Lupin created a number of hideouts, each outfitted with what was, for the time, the most cutting-edge of security measures. Snares, traps, warning bells, networks of electric wires and acoustic tubes, moving floors, hidden stairways, escape measures, and other ingenious devices honeycombed these buildings. This lets Lupin not only evade security measures, but also build and improve them.
    • Golden Rule (C)- Due to his talents as a master thief, Lupin always lived comfortably on his ill-gotten gains.
    • Master of Disguise (A+)- Lupin is capable of disguising himself in ways that seem impossible- he can alter his posture and face in such a way that master detectives- including Sherlock Holmes and Inspector Ganimard- are willing to testify in court that they do not recognize him. Even Magecraft of the highest orders has trouble penetrating these disguises.
    • Robust Health (C)- Arsene Lupin discovered the secret of the Fountain of Youth, granting him eternal youth- which may have hastened his demise as his aging enemies sought to pry the secret from him.
  • Noble Phantasm(s):
    • Name: Phantom Thief
    • Rank: EX
    • Type: Anti-Treasure/Anti-Gate
    • Appearance: n/a
    • Effects: Arsene Lupin is a master thief, capable of impossible heists, disguises, and general feats of larceny and deception that surpass the Magecraft of any era. Whether it's stealing Vatican gold by impersonating the Pope, organizing a daring heist while trapped in jail under 24/7 surveillance, breaking out of an impossible prison by swapping places with a random vagrant, or even outwitting Sherlock Holmes himself, Lupin can always find a way to commit the perfect crime.

    • Name: The Secret of Sarek, The God Stone
    • Rank: B+
    • Type: Anti-Unit
    • Appearance: A lustrous glowing green jewel atop Lupin's cane, masterfully cut into a rounded shape.
    • Effects: The God Stone isn't just a pretty stone- it's an insanely radioactive jewel! The God Stone is capable of firing mana-infused atomic lasers that have catastrophic effects to those it hits- ranging from outright disintegration on a failed END check to basic mana-induced physical and magical pollution. With a specialized filter, it can heal those it hits instead.

    • Name: The Iconic Hat, Garder ton Chapeau/Ill-Gotten Gains, The Lupin Collection
    • Rank: B+
    • Type: Anti-Unit
    • Appearance: A number of shelves holding thousands of treasures- both magical and mundane.
    • Effects: The Lupin Collection isn't a weapon or ability. Rather, it's a collection of everything Lupin ever stole. Includes Papal Vestments, magical weapons, trinkets from the Age of Gods, antiques, and a key found in the deserts around Mesopotamia. By reaching through his hat, he's able to access this collection remotely.
  • Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
  • Changes:


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Ok, it took me a while, but she's ready:

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@PKMNB0Y I'm mostly thinking of making a Persian, but what they'll be doing for like a job still has to be decided.
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Actually on second thought, I may not make a Master due to how busy I currently am ;;"
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@RolePlayerRoxas: Accepted.

@KoL: Accepted.

@clanjos: Accepted.

Jesus what's with all the Servants and no Masters lmao

Well, in any case... I can probably start the RP sooner than later, since NPC Masters are... A thing.

Edit: Not making a Master is fine. I just need to get motivated to kick things off.
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