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@j8cob True but that is a heavy costing jutsu also if you prevent their spinning they can't preform it.
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@LokiLeo789 he wouldn't be able to "Dispel it" only the caster can. he can make sure it doesn't hit him but the fire won't go out until it's put out.

plus we all know power levels were stupidly ridiculous at the end of naruto.
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Neji Hyūga noted that any chakra-based substance can be destroyed by the Gentle Fist.

Name one Uchia-Hyuga fight? How could the author write this fact in and basically destroy that fact he made apparent in the PTS, wouldn't make sense would it. Would kill is money maker clan, so one could say he deviated from the consistency.
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OC will be up next
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Um...I think a Hyuga did fight an Uchiha I kind of don't want to mention it because of spoilers...

Anyway, this is an Alternative Universe who knows what will happen.
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@BladeSS4 Was it a filler?
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I humbly present my character sheet. I aimed for a female Uchiha and I was wondering to take out or add in majority of the CS. So many questions too like Chidori. Does she qualify as Chuunin?

I also made a custom clan. We may collab depending on what ideas you gained for it. I am loving the concept and belief you and Hilian made. I'm a fan of world building so yeah.. is it okay if I made a custom clan?

Chidori have so many variations. Does that mean I will only be able to use one variant. If I can use more than one like Chidori Current, does that count as a second A rank? Does Chidori variants fall under one jutsu and not another jutsu?

It's fine making her two swirled right or should I go for three swirls?

I tried making her like that. As much as possible, I am refraining from making more jutsus. The user itself is the definition, not the jutsu defines the user.

Overall, I focused more on the character than the jutsus itself and looked at Chuunin examples and the best example I got was Mū, kudos to the author who made him. I let the judgement be in your hands. I have lots of questions in the tip of my tongue too so these are what I can thinkfor now.

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Neji Hyūga noted that any chakra-based substance can be destroyed by the Gentle Fist.

Name one Uchia-Hyuga fight? How could the author write this fact in and basically destroy that fact he made apparent in the PTS, wouldn't make sense would it. Would kill is money maker clan, so one could say he deviated from the consistency.


Sorry for the double post.

I disagree on the Neji part. Any Uchiha that has no name, he can stomp but any Uchiha that is named Sasuke, Madara, Obito and Itachi he will not stomp. Damn I'm sounding like an Uchiha fanboy even though I'm a fan but not wanking levels lol

For the benefit. Part 1 Neji can stomp part 1 Sasuke.

Kaguya who is the pinnacle of the Byakugan usage can dispel Susanoo. She literally stomped Perfect Susanoo with an over sized gentle fist. #Mangafacts

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If a trait associated with a Kekkei Genkai is not associated with a jutsu in canon, but appears to be an 'at-will' ability, should it be counted as an innate trait or made into a technique?


That depends. You're talking about making weapons out of bones? I'd say make it into a custom jutsu, and if it causes you to go over the limit, then I'll see it through the fingers.

@Buddha You make a good point with that but the thing is that uchiha are naturally gifted with ninjutsu and genjutsu. They usually also have fire or lightning natures. Both of which are good long range which the Hyuga aren't. Esentially it's a battle of who the better of the two actually is. Like much of naruto should have been. Not the mage anime/manga it became.


Genjutsu is taken care of directly because Hyuga can see chakra and chakra paths and therefore can detect genjutsu. I think only the most powerful genjutsu's (aka anything Itachi pulled from his ass) couldn't be dispelled. Literally anything else was fair game.

Ninjutsu.. I mean, besides the fact that Hyuga can see chakra buildup and thus can tell when someone is preparing ninjutsu, they also can dispel it more or less by fucking around with the chakra.

Furthermore, the point I'm making here is that the Uchiha are not some badass clan of shinobi. Not everyone is Madara, Sasuke or god forbid Itachi. Most Uchiha shinobi (which only made up a small part of the clan) never even awaken their sharingan, let alone unlock two tomoe. It just seems like every Uchiha will obtain an EMS or something because Itachi killed the whole clan, making Itachi, Madara and Sasuke the only survivors. Coincidentally they are all 'geniuses'. So it seems like the Uchiha clan are OP. In reality, Kishimoto just made it look like they were.

A standard, average Uchiha wouldn't be anywhere as close to powerful as any of those three.

Hyuga have wind chakra, though, and they use it fairly often.

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The Hyuga also have Chakra natures, they just chose not to use them. Not to mention the fact that they can be easily blocked. In fact, a Hyuga like Neji could take a chunk out of the Sususan'o and dispel Amatrasu with the Gentle Fist. Think the writer chose not to explore that interaction.


On the other hand, Neji was a genius and thus was more capable of matching Sasuke, Madara, Obito or Itachi. If we look at Hinata, who isn't a genius, it'd be a lot more iffy if she could do any of that.




Regardless, thanks for keeping the discussion civil.

Any comparison that is made is made by characters that were geniuses. Shisui? Genius. Itachi? Genius. Sasuke? Emo, but genius (it was claimed he was anyway). Madara? Literal shinobi god. By that definition alone we can already assume the comparisons are heavily biased.

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Review in red, you should be used to that


In short: look at the comments I made, and edit it accordingly, and then let me know when you've edited it. It's a good basis, but there are some things that need clarification (I still don't get the jasmin eagle motif thing..). Overall I'm satisfied though, just needs some more detailing imho.

I humbly present my character sheet. I aimed for a female Uchiha and I was wondering to take out or add in majority of the CS. So many questions too like Chidori. Does she qualify as Chuunin? Sure

I also made a custom clan. We may collab depending on what ideas you gained for it. I am loving the concept and belief you and Hilian made. I'm a fan of world building so yeah.. is it okay if I made a custom clan? Yeah, I'm surprised at the lack of custom clans/kekkei genkai, but yes. You can make custom clans.

Chidori have so many variations. Does that mean I will only be able to use one variant. If I can use more than one like Chidori Current, does that count as a second A rank? Does Chidori variants fall under one jutsu and not another jutsu? We have talked about it in the past and we've told you that we generally want to see it as a new jutsu.

It's fine making her two swirled right or should I go for three swirls? We won't rise above 3 tomoe for now, so it's probably best to have 1 or 2 so that you can have character progression towards 3. It's your call.

I tried making her like that. As much as possible, I am refraining from making more jutsus. The user itself is the definition, not the jutsu defines the user. We've taught you well.

Overall, I focused more on the character than the jutsus itself good and looked at Chuunin examples and the best example I got was Mū, kudos to the author who made him. I let the judgement be in your hands. I have lots of questions in the tip of my tongue too so these are what I can thinkfor now.

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Not really a fair fight innit


Masaki, good to see your OOC commenting still makes me confused as ever.

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This is going to be a very silly question I feel. Are all eye techniques kekkei genkai? I don't recall other eye techniques outside of that, apart form maybe senju modes if that counts. I wanted to create an eye technique with the theory of an insects compound eyes behind it, dividing the users vision into a smaller and smaller hexagonal grid with co-ordinates allowing greater accuracy.

I have been basing my character's family on the dragonfly (because why not, right?), but I felt that an eye kekkei genkai is somewhat cliche and was going to have extreme body control being it instead, hence the query :P

EDIT: Also the eyes seems to be a kind of... worse sharingan if they're a kekkei genkai


Theoretically, dojutsu are not kekkei genkai per definition. Canonically, yes they are. And because of that, if they exist as non-kekkei genkai they are almost certainly hiden techniques. But if you want to do the compound eye thing, then that's 100% certainly a kekkei genkai, even if it is limited to 1 person and not a clan.

Eye kekkei genkai are cliché though I will agree.
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@Buddha Very well then, I will say strict training regiment and visualization techniques. I don't want too many cliche's in my character :3
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Kakashi resorted to copying because he didn't have the necessary mana to use sharing an to its full potential. That or he just liked to troll. Notice that he never used genjutsu, if rarely and 1 kamui left him dead in his tracks. So basically he used the most basic skill, the one where you see through the others JUTSU, maybe even the time slowing one.

Even Sasuke could copy others. (from his fight with Lee) where he picked his moves only by seeing him once. And if you have a lot of chakra nature's(3 in kakashi's case) and basic level of sharingan anyone could copy. But most other have their own style which they deem to be better than resorting to copying.

This is purely my opinion based on real facts.
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Kakashi resorted to copying because he didn't have the necessary mana to use sharing an to its full potential. That or he just liked to troll. Notice that he never used genjutsu, if rarely and 1 kamui left him dead in his tracks. So basically he used the most basic skill, the one where you see through the others JUTSU, maybe even the time slowing one.

Even Sasuke could copy others. (from his fight with Lee) where he picked his moves only by seeing him once. And if you have a lot of chakra nature's(3 in kakashi's case) and basic level of sharingan anyone could copy. But most other have their own style which they deem to be better than resorting to copying.

This is purely my opinion based on real facts.


I mean, except Kakashi uses hella genjutsu. And he's got all five basic chakra natures.

And Kakashi was a jounin at 12. He doesn't set the bar particularly low. The copying aspect of the sharingan is completely nullified by the rules of the RP, though. Since a genin with the Sharingan are not allowed to copy every technique they see.

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Besides, everyone has all five chakra natures, it just takes a lot of skill to use all five (i.e. to the point where someone that uses all five is revered as God Shinobi.. point in case, Hiruzen.)
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Besides, everyone has all five chakra natures, it just takes a lot of skill to use all five (i.e. to the point where someone that uses all five is revered as God Shinobi.. point in case, Hiruzen.)


Eh, that came down to Hiruzen's skill and strength. Hashirama had the same title, and he only used his wood techs. (well, most notably, anyway.)

Hiruzen mastered all the elements, unlike Kakashi, and I suppose that's where the title really lies.
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@Hillan It's about mastery yes. But, also, I think Kakashi can only copy them. I.e. if he sees someone do a water jutsu, he couldn't later go 'oh I remember this' and just come up with the same jutsu somehow.
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Everyone has all 5 chakra natures?
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Well, to my defense I never saw him use wind or fire.
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@Bishop Just because you can't use them doesn't mean you don't have them. Everyone has 5 natures. But you are more inclined to 1 nature, and then a second, and then a third, and then a fourth, and then a fourth. Now consider that most people only ever unlock 3 of them during their lifetime.

Therefore, it's very impressive that Hiruzen managed to use all 5 at a master level.
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