[OOC] CLOSED - Ultimate One Universe: Season One

[Sep]

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Probably because women becoming more prominent in Hollywood is a fairly newish phenomenon, and there aren’t a great deal of female-led prodctions so those few are given a pretty big spotlight.

I’unno, I don’t mind it usually. So long as they’re making solid movies and not more Ghostbuster remakes.

@Superboy

I don't care what gender/ethnicity a director is so long as the movie isn't shit.

But then if the female lead or directors shit and you call it shit people call you sexist.

[Supermaxx]

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I don't care what gender/ethnicity a director is so long as the movie isn't shit.

But then if the female lead or directors shit and you call it shit people call you sexist.

@Sep

I don't generally care either, but there are people who care about this sorta stuff, so I won't fault them for it. I'm not the target audience.

Yeah, that's shitty when that happens. No one should be above criticism.

[Enarr]

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Oh! Wait, Manchester Black is kind of an anarchist icon isn't he?

@Lord Wraith

Not so far as I know. I see how you could draw connections, though, between the Sex Pistols inspired aesthetic anti-establishment philosophy.

Edit: He does strike me as very punk.

[HenryJonesJr]

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What's with all the jerking off over Female TV shows/movies being directed by female directors?

@Sep

Because representation matters, and said people can represent the struggles of a female better than men can.

[Sep]

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Because representation matters, and said people can represent the struggles of a female better than men can.

@HenryJonesJr

I get that, but what I'm getting about is all the patting on the back people give eachother because they're doing that.

[HenryJonesJr]

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I get that, but what I'm getting about is all the patting on the back people give eachother because they're doing that.

@Sep

Does that happen?

[AndyC]

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Because representation matters, and said people can represent the struggles of a female better than men can.

@HenryJonesJr

I'm gonna disagree with that statement outright. "Women" and "men" aren't faceless monolithic collectives, with common stats and capabilities across the board for each particular set. It dismisses and ignores some of the most genuinely excellent female characters written and directed by men, and some of the most disastrously bad characters written or directed by women, because it's ignoring the merits and faults of them as individuals. It's missing the trees for the forest, so to speak.

[mickilennial]

This ain't an argument I'm gonna touch with a ten foot super pole.

[Retired]

This ain't an argument I'm gonna touch with a ten foot super pole.

@Inkarnate

Speaking of ten foot super poles...
I don't know where I was going with that.

[HenryJonesJr]

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I'm gonna disagree with that statement outright. "Women" and "men" aren't faceless monolithic collectives, with common stats and capabilities across the board for each particular set. It dismisses and ignores some of the most genuinely excellent female characters written and directed by men, and some of the most disastrously bad characters written or directed by women, because it's ignoring the merits and faults of them as individuals. It's missing the trees for the forest, so to speak.

@AndyC

I wasn’t saying men are incapable of telling a good story with female characters. But all you have to do is look at he representation numbers of women behind the camera in big studio movies to see why people are psyched when a women heads a female-centered show or movie, especially when there are so few of them as well

[AndyC]

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I wasn’t saying men are incapable of telling a good story with female characters. But all you have to do is look at he representation numbers of women behind the camera in big studio movies to see why people are psyched when a women heads a female-centered show or movie, especially when there are so few of them as well

@HenryJonesJr

Okay, but again, you're reducing the discussion to collectives. The whole representation argument (at least in terms of the entertainment industry) is focused almost entirely around what a person is instead of who they are and what they can do. It's just looking at numbers, assuming there's a correct amount of gender (x) and race (y) people that should be in whatever given market, and attempting to force the supply to change regardless of the actual demand.

[Retired]

There's a difference between mandating that a woman must direct a woman-centric movie, and when a woman happens to be chosen to direct a woman-centric movie because of their merits and is subsequently celebrated for it. You are arguing against the former, Andy, and you are right - affirmative action just for the sake of diversity instead of selecting and awarding those best suited for the role, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, etc, is a bad idea. But I believe Henry is discussing the latter. I don't see him reducing the discussion down to collectives, I see you two debating two entirely different aspects of the industry.

[AndyC]

Good call.

In other news, anyone else see the trailer for Godzilla: King of the Monsters? Because hoooooly shit.

[HenryJonesJr]

Good call.

In other news, anyone else see the trailer for Godzilla: King of the Monsters? Because hoooooly shit.

@AndyC

It looks so freaking good. They somehow managed to make Rodan look cool, and Rodan is like the Milhouse of the Kaiju world.

Plus they're treating Mothra like the goddess she is.

[AndyC]

And talk about a helluva a cast, too. Millie Bobby Brown, Charles Dance, Ken Watanabe, King Ghidorah.....

[Retired]

I haven't yet, but I guess I will at some point today.

[Nib]

Slowly catching up on IC events. Really digging the Superman stuff, but I've always liked how Andy writes supes, which is saying something because I really have almost no interest in him normally. Also, every time I read Bounce's intro monologue I hear the Law & Order sound effect after I finish it.

[Sep]

This ain't an argument I'm gonna touch with a ten foot super pole.

@Inkarnate

It ain't really an arguement.

#DiscussionWizard

There's a difference between mandating that a woman must direct a woman-centric movie, and when a woman happens to be chosen to direct a woman-centric movie because of their merits and is subsequently celebrated for it. You are arguing against the former, Andy, and you are right - affirmative action just for the sake of diversity instead of selecting and awarding those best suited for the role, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, etc, is a bad idea. But I believe Henry is discussing the latter. I don't see him reducing the discussion down to collectives, I see you two debating two entirely different aspects of the industry.

@Retired

Yeah basically.

Slowly catching up on IC events. Really digging the Superman stuff, but I've always liked how Andy writes supes, which is saying something because I really have almost no interest in him normally. Also, every time I read Bounce's intro monologue I hear the Law & Order sound effect after I finish it.

@Nib

No mention of the Flash.

I see how it is. #1v1MeQuicksilver

[Nib]

@Sep I'm also enjoying FemFlash. I had just finished reading a Superman post before hopping over here. I'm game for meet ups. Maybe someone can meet the X-Force after they handle that storm.

[Sep]

@Sep I'm also enjoying FemFlash. I had just finished reading a Superman post before hopping over here. I'm game for meet ups. Maybe someone can meet the X-Force after they handle that storm.

@Nib

Yes. You were real subtle about who they were facing.

I still need to get round to introducing the other potential Reverse Flash alter egos (Or the actual one? Nobody knows who it could be. Wait, do I know?).