[OOC] Multiverse At War - (MAW) (High Casual RP: Always Welcomed)

[Absolis]

@Archmage MC

Alright. I don't think he's going to attack the chicken just yet. He's a bit busy. Though I'm going to keep that fact in my pocket. It's coming outafter the battles over.

[Archmage MC]

Where is that chicken from Legend of Zelda?

@Saint Girralo

MC summoned it and threw it at Absolis' char, but I've gotta fix how he gets there.

@Archmage MC

Alright. I don't think he's going to attack the chicken just yet. He's a bit busy. Though I'm going to keep that fact in my pocket. It's coming outafter the battles over.

@Absolis

I hope you have fun with it mate!

[Saint Girralo]

@Archmage MC

I get that the chicken was summoned, but what universe did it get summoned from?

[Archmage MC]

@Archmage MC

I get that the chicken was summoned, but what universe did it get summoned from?

@Saint Girralo

OOOh. Legend of Zelda. Its a Cocoo.

Also fixed.

Also @facepunch If Kid flash escapes and runs by MC, he can pick MC up no problem. MC doesn't weigh hardly anything.

And Absolis, if you want to have some character interaction or a fight with Kid Flash, just send some soldiers to chase MC.

[thewizardguy]

@dirty slime
Palpatine is nowhere near FTL, and none of his feats would come even close to suggesting this. He's hypersonic at best, and even that's a fairly massive stretch. Don't be silly.

Palps could totally TP her to death though.

Sora would get annihilated. Not even in the same league. Not sure why people would put Sora in a fight with moon-busters, who could clearly just wave him out of existence with a wayward fart.

[Archmage MC]

@dirty slime
Palpatine is nowhere near FTL, and none of his feats would come even close to suggesting this. He's hypersonic at best, and even that's a fairly massive stretch. Don't be silly.

Palps could totally TP her to death though.

Sora would get annihilated. Not even in the same league. Not sure why people would put Sora in a fight with moon-busters, who could clearly just wave him out of existence with a wayward fart.

@thewizardguy

You know who would beat her? Gordon Freeman. You can't beat that crowbar and goatee.

[Savato]

@dirty slime I was going to respond with a lengthy post but you seem to just ignore the fact that she's invincible without a specific counter.

One touch from her and she wins. What will Palpatine do? Mind control the person who can turn illusions into reality?

Right.

As for Sora. I don't know what his endgame feats are. Pretty sure he has some dimensional people that could do something but arguably he gets one shotted too.

[Gun]

@TheWizardGuy a 'magical' force field is still energy. It doesn't seem to function on a purely kinetic basis, at least, which still leads me to believe it is susceptible to V particles, as well as a myriad of other reasons.

[Gummi Bunnies]

News! I might have my characters figured out now, but I need to find the time to write out the apps.

Fuuuuunnnn...

*faceplants*

[thewizardguy]

@Gun
If you're arguing that your V-particles are able to pierce through all manners of energy and matter, then I would state that the GM needs to carefully reexamine your CS. An unblockable attack is bullshit. But yes, magical energy is still energy. It is not matter, however, meaning that matter-destroying attacks wouldn't affect it.

If you have other reasons it should be treated as matter, please state them.

[Lmpkio]

Jeezus almost two pages to read in less then 24 hrs. Got lotsa reading when I get home lol

[thewizardguy]

@Savato

It's never stated that she's completely invincible. She was able to regenerate from massive damage, but to state this equates to complete invincibility is a no-limits fallacy.

Characters capable of soular, conceptual, or plot-based or time-based annihilation would be able to kill her even with infinite regen. Chars capable of complete matter destruction, absorption and regen-counters would probably also be able to put her down. But regardless, her sheer speed, strength and destructive capability put her far above the likes of Palpatine by feats.

I would argue that Palpatine would have a shot at mind-wiping her, considering his mastery of mind control and she has no real feats resisting telepathy of that scale. But it would definitely not be easy, and she could simply annihilate him while he tried that.

[Gun]

@thewizardguy Well energy is matter, just not physical. The blade is not simply able to destroy everything, as I've said before. It is just versatile as it can destroy most physical matter due to its nature. Most charged particles(such as light, which is the primary component of this argument) are repelled by the V particles causing diffraction and polarization.

I can accept that the shield may be magic, but in the description provided it is light, simply buffed with a 'holy' enchantment, which would have no bearing on the natural effect the particle would have on light.

[Savato]

@thewizardguy

Not really, the lore clearly indicated the Ten Tails was an eternal being with infinite power (as shown when Naruto tried to gauge its power). Though to be fair this is contradicted by the fact that manipulating reality some how was taxing to her chakra. She'd be dead if her sons could kill her once she was deprived of her powers.

I didn't say she couldn't be defeated by other God-tier characters, but comparing her to what was stated beforehand was just silly. Evidently she's not the strongest God out there.

I still find it difficult to believe someone could efficiently mind rape her when she herself can mind rape the entire world by gluing her eye to the moon. It is deeply universe centered however, and I guess that would be the same with Palpatine.

[dirty slime]

@dirty slime
Palpatine is nowhere near FTL, and none of his feats would come even close to suggesting this. He's hypersonic at best, and even that's a fairly massive stretch. Don't be silly.

Palps could totally TP her to death though.

Sora would get annihilated. Not even in the same league. Not sure why people would put Sora in a fight with moon-busters, who could clearly just wave him out of existence with a wayward fart.

@thewizardguy

What's this then?

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.
The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?
Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.
Anakin could feel how the Force fed upon the shadow's murderous exaltation; he could feel fury spray into the Force though some poisonous abscess had crested in both their hearts. There was no Jedi restraint here. Mace Windu was cutting loose.

Revenge of the Sith Novelization

Anakin can only perceive Palpatine as a shadowy blur, not even seeing his crimson lightsaber.

Anakin Skywalker, best starfighter pilot in the galaxy, routinely capable of beating out Droid Tri-fighters to the punch, whose computer brains are stated to be near-lightspeed in processing actions and evasive maneuvers. Anakin Skywalker, who is comparable to Obi-Wan Kenobi, who did things like this:

An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there...

Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides.

Revenge of the Sith Novelization

And Palpatine is literally leagues above them in every aspect.

As for Sora? Lol timestop. Lol I resisted becoming heartless through sheer willpower. Lol my magic can actually hurt guys like Hades, a true Olympian god. Lol I can dodge multiple lightning strikes (Real lightning, as in from the sky all the way to the ground) from numerous directions. Lol guys like Xemnas, who can create and destroy entire worlds just like Kaguya were beaten by me and my buds.

[dirty slime]

@dirty slime I was going to respond with a lengthy post but you seem to just ignore the fact that she's invincible without a specific counter.

One touch from her and she wins. What will Palpatine do? Mind control the person who can turn illusions into reality?

Right.

As for Sora. I don't know what his endgame feats are. Pretty sure he has some dimensional people that could do something but arguably he gets one shotted too.

@Savato

Nope. If she can't react fast enough to kill Palpatine before he turns her into a harmless vegetable through telekinesis, how can she take advantage of her invincibility? And that complete invincibility you say is called a No Limits Fallacy, which is HEAVILY frowned upon in debating. Instead, we utilize the most powerful thing a character has ever endured/done as the peak of their power if they can't be scaled to other characters.

[Gun]

@gun

I'm guessing the whole special features rendered useless is the main reason why you're not happy. I'll admit that was too much, but the whole part about negating their overwhelming superiority? I'm not gonna change that cuz from what I see, they make Minovsky Particle and GN tech seem pathetic in comparison.

@dirty slime

Minovsky particles didn't do all that much to begin with outside of run of the mill laser beaming other than their ability to render communication impossible. No one even really knows what GN tech does aside from function exactly like minovsky particles.

Anyway I'm cool with the middle ground.

[thewizardguy]

@Gun
Energy functions completely differently from matter, and therefore your weapon would not affect energy.

Light exists as a particle only when defined, but usually exists as a superposition. Furthermore, light is not a charged particle. And lastly, as this light is capable of blocking missiles to the face, the magic quite clearly alters the natural functions of light. Light would not normally be able to do that, as it's natural state is as a quantum superposition of particle and wave. Light can just as easily be expressed as a vibration in space rather than a particle.

@Savato
It's stated that she has infinite power by subjective sources, but actual feats as you stated clearly contradict this. Her powers clearly have a limit, and she has often hit that limit. Furthermore, just because her sons were unable to kill her does not mean she is completely immortal, merely that she has a Cell-level healing factor.

There are many characters below God-tier capable of that kind of destruction. The weapons from Soul Eater are able to devour the souls of their enemies. Touma from To Aru Majutsu no Index is able to negate supernatural healing, as is Gae Darg from Fate/Zero.

Both her and Palpatine have planet-level mind-control feats. So it seems they're fairly evenly matched in that aspect.

@dirty slime
Palpatine can't be seen by human eyes. Considering the distance, this puts him at Mach 5 at best. Lightspeed is Mach 1.000.000, just as a frame of reference.

And just because droid brains are capable of processing information at lightspeed does not mean that their vehicles are capable of reacting at that speed, nor that their information processing is superior to Anakin's Force-based intuition. Various human pilots in Star Wars have outdone droid ships, doesn't mean they have FTL reactions.

Blasters are about speed-of-sound. So deflecting that many of them is a Mach 10 feat, maximum. And that's ignoring precog. With precog it's just a Mach 2 or 3 feat, logically speaking. Again not even mildly close to lightspeed.

I'm a huge fan of the EU my friend, but we're talking a confirmed planet buster here. Even Palpatine's Force Storms don't have enough energy to do that kind of shit.

[Savato]

@thewizardguy

Naruto lore is often inconsistent, especially near the end. I'm 100% sure the Ten Tails had infinite power. But yeah, it's definitely contradicted later on. Also I heavily doubt cell-level regeneration was an obstacle considering the insane powers her sons had (soul removal, gravity, destruction of all things with their black chakra weapons).

Apparently Soul Removal wouldn't be enough, otherwise Hagoromo wouldn't have had to seal her away (Because that's one of the Rinnegan's ability). Consequently, she has that same power but clearly surpasses practically any Soul Eater character via feats (at least from the anime, haven't checked the manga). The others I don't know their powers.

@dirty slime Speed of light or not, she could easily catch off guards two protagonists who used instant teleportation (Minato level). I don't think he'll get the jump on Kaguya, quite the contrary they'll keep trying to surprise each other and fail miserably. The only problem is that Kaguya can kill anything in one shot (that isn't some super immortal).

As for Sora. Ok, the instant he has to cooldown one of those, he dies. Lel.

[dirty slime]

@dirty slime
Palpatine can't be seen by human eyes. Considering the distance, this puts him at Mach 5 at best. Lightspeed is Mach 1.000.000, just as a frame of reference.

And just because droid brains are capable of processing information at lightspeed does not mean that their vehicles are capable of reacting at that speed, nor that their information processing is superior to Anakin's Force-based intuition. Various human pilots in Star Wars have outdone droid ships, doesn't mean they have FTL reactions.

Blasters are about speed-of-sound. So deflecting that many of them is a Mach 10 feat, maximum. And that's ignoring precog. With precog it's just a Mach 2 or 3 feat, logically speaking. Again not even mildly close to lightspeed.

I'm a huge fan of the EU my friend, but we're talking a confirmed planet buster here. Even Palpatine's Force Storms don't have enough energy to do that kind of shit.

@thewizardguy

What is Force-Augmented senses? Not even that could make Anakin sense the exact location of Palpatine as he tried to kill Windu. The only reason why Windu didn't die instantly like the other Jedi with him was because of Vapaad redirecting Sidious' hate and darkside energy back towards him and that he was planning on converting Anakin to his side the moment he realized he had come.

Also, Jedi pilots routinely dodge and react to turbolaser and laser cannon fire, which have much, much faster bolts than handheld blaster weapons. Fast enough to go from orbit to surface within a handful seconds. And again, Palpatine is far superior to them.

Also, regarding TK/TP, Palpatine is far superior; Kaguya did her trick with millions, Sidious did his mindfuck with billions to trillions of sentient beings as he was able to keep everyone, everyone in Coruscant hypnotized for many months to a few years give or take into thinking that the Lusankya wasn't actually being constructed on its surface. Not to mention what he had done to Byss, turning it and his inhabitants into a massive farm of life-force for him to drain at his leisure all while the poor victims were blissfully, subtly wasting away without a care in the world.