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Well I'll be making an Archer.
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I'll be going for a Caster~
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Wait, if alter egos are allowed and this is an alternate world does this mean we can app servants under the beast container as alter egos. Similar to Kiara?

(Just asking cause that class was made for servants that didn't fit into regular classification and yet had nothing to do with elder gods)

Im asking since the Alter Ego Catagory is generally the catagory for servants that don't fit classical definition (Sakura Five) or merely contain traits that make them beyond applicable for the original container (Okitan/Sitonai)
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@Parallel Hearts How many people are joining this thing??? O_O

Looks cool tho, tbh! Tempting...will have to think about it.

Eh, might sit back and watch this one, see if it turns out good. ^^;
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Oh, hey. Just realized Ruler's a thing. Think I'll be doing that instead, maybe~
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My Agrippina is getting closer to completion. I sort of wish they had noted WHY she was considered a Caster but I'll make my own reason.
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Not in particular.

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She's a Magus.
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Just gonna throw a WIP up for my Ruler while I figure out Noble Phantasms, though they'll both probably be big. Also important question, but how will Command Spells work in this considering it isn't a Holy Grail War? I have God's Decision sealed atm given the circumstances, but let me know if it's fine to unseal it~

EDIT: Totally did not just put my Personality into Backstory. Totally.


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Welp, suppose I'm done. Only my second time making a servant profile so I hope this is acceptable. Was a bit iffy on stuff like noble Phantasm ranges, but I think I've gotten everything mostly correct. If I need to, I'll change whatever I need.

insert meme about archers not using bows here

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I'll take on this case! I would like a Caster if possible!
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Well, I certainly wasn't expecting this to blow up so much while I wasn't looking.

First things first, I'm thankful for the interest of anyone who posted here so far.

Second, I'll do any final assessments of Servant proposals once the thread is up. But, I'll still try to address the ones that have been posted here up to the point when I'm writing this.

Now, to address some of the questions before I go piece together the main thread:

Wait, if alter egos are allowed and this is an alternate world does this mean we can app servants under the beast container as alter egos. Similar to Kiara?

(Just asking cause that class was made for servants that didn't fit into regular classification and yet had nothing to do with elder gods)

Im asking since the Alter Ego Catagory is generally the catagory for servants that don't fit classical definition (Sakura Five) or merely contain traits that make them beyond applicable for the original container (Okitan/Sitonai)


I'd like to avoid touching on Beasts at all. Kiara, especially, wouldn't be called upon by a working Moon Cell under any circumstances. Alter Egos are an option because the Class lends itself to a lot of flexible character concepts (just as you mentioned). But, bear in mind that who you are an Alter Ego of, will probably be the most deciding factor in whether or not character you do is viable or not, especially in what concerns composite beings like the Sakura Five and Sitonai.

My personal suggestion for working with this Class is taking an already canon Heroic Spirit that has multiple facets (like King Arthur, Elizabeth Bathory/Carmilla, and above all else the Tamamo Nine who are the original example of Alter Egos in the Franchise) and work around the alternative interpretations of them. Or, take advantage of the fact that the Moon Cell allows some hax with Divine Spirits and... I don't know, make an Alter Ego Ereshtar Rin?

The gist of it is that all of the known Alter Egos are meta interpretations of other canon characters, with a twist or two applied to them. So, I'd like to keep this as the focus of the Class.

@Parallel Hearts How many people are joining this thing??? O_O

Looks cool tho, tbh! Tempting...will have to think about it.

Eh, might sit back and watch this one, see if it turns out good. ^^;


I'll leave any pruning to do on the main thread. Nevertheless, don't worry too much about numbers. You are welcome in, if you wish to join.

It's the nature of public RPs like this to have people dropping at any point for any number of reasons, so I plan to "overbook" this a little to keep the game running for longer.

My Agrippina is getting closer to completion. I sort of wish they had noted WHY she was considered a Caster but I'll make my own reason.


Well, just as @Red Alice said she (and Nero too) were pretty well acquainted with magecraft. That said, I think that if you'd like to her into any other class rather than Caster, Assassin is probably the most obvious choice. You could even try Dual Summoning shenanigans since her modus operandi isn't that different from Semiramis'.

@Cu Chulainn
Since this isn't a HGW that skill won't have any use on opposing Servants, but he can keep his allowed Two Command Spells for each allied Servant, since they can be very handy as last ditch support measures.

However, I'll say that any activation of them must be agreed by both parties at least OOC. Also, if there's more than one Ruler IC, they'll have to share the Seals evenly between them. Otherwise, this would allow too much power for a party ot already seriously heavy-hitters.

@Rune_Alchemist
At a first glance, she looks very nice. I'll leave any final judgements for when the actual thread is up, but I don't see much to change here.
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Alrighty then, Second Question. As all the Sakura Five are composite beings of Divine Spirits. Would it then not be possible for the individual manisfestation of each via the mooncell.

Asking out of importance due to the overpowering nature of 'Earth Mother Goddesses' The kind that comprise King Protea.
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Alrighty, this works! Thinking of going with Rank A, unless you'd rather object to it being B. Constantine's a pretty big boi, so either works.

Also, how's everything on the sheet looking so far? I've already got plans for the Church, but for Constantinople, I was thinking of some sort of base-of-operations type Noble Phantasm. I'm fine with just the Church though.
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Alrighty then, Second Question. As all the Sakura Five are composite beings of Divine Spirits. Would it then not be possible for the individual manisfestation of each via the mooncell.

Asking out of importance due to the overpowering nature of 'Earth Mother Goddesses' The kind that comprise King Protea.


I'd personally recommend avoiding genuine Divine Spirits to begin with. Their manifestation's different system-wise than how Servants are manifested, as you see during a certain scene in Extella, the method BB used to obtain their value data was well outside the standard fare, and it also leads to a significant balancing hurdle.

Mother Goddesses have their Authorities of creation and destruction going on, which is pretty nice, but unless you're counting the likes of Tiamat or the nameless goddess, a big reason they're so scary in the Moon Cell is because Divine Spirits are just flat-out terrifying in the Moon Cell relative to how they are in the material world.

Incidentally, in the world of EXTRA where the information world (digital) takes precedence over the physical world, she [Arcueid] is no longer the strongest.
This is because in the information world, legend becomes reality, and natural phenomena that have been incarnated as “gods” can often hold more power than their original natural existence does.
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With that said, you have the mortal equivalents of some Divine Spirits present in the Sakura Five, for instance Bryn in the case of Lip, who (I assume, but you'd want to check with the GM juuust to be safe) should be fine, since they don't have the same scale of stuff going on!
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Alrighty then, Second Question. As all the Sakura Five are composite beings of Divine Spirits. Would it then not be possible for the individual manisfestation of each via the mooncell.

Asking out of importance due to the overpowering nature of 'Earth Mother Goddesses' The kind that comprise King Protea.


Correct me if I didn't understand your question correctly. But, anyway, here's the answer.

If you are asking whether or not the Sakura Five are viable choices for this story, the answer is yes (with some strings attached). Let me explain my intentions with the whole concept of this RP first, before I elaborate a little more on that answer.

I came up with this idea because of two points that almost no one running a Fate-inspired RP seems to be willing to address, despite them being detrimental to both players and GMs more often than not:



Now that I've made my motives known, let me go back to the question and say that yes. However, considering that the Sakura Five are all overwhelming broken by design, I'm only willing to allow them (and any other overpowered Servants like Rulers and most Top Servants) as long as someone applying them behaves in a way that's appropriate to group play. Any attempt to break the game, or harass the other PCs will be met with a corrective measure proportional to the misconduct (anywhere from a warning, to outright banning).

Lastly, I'll take this chance to explain to anyone, why there are two classes that aren't available from the list of playable Servants on GO.

- Moon Cancers: I don't believe that I need to explain why BB has to be kept as an NPC (in case she does appear at all).

- Foreigners: You are going to fight alien threats in this story. If Foreigners end up appearing in the RP, it'll be as enemies or cryptic ally NPCs. Though, I could be convinced to allow someone to play as a Foreigner, if they agree on some extra compromises.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the question to go on such a huge unasked for explanation.



TL;DR: If you want to play as Kingprotea you can, as long as you behave in a conducive manner.


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Alrighty, this works! Thinking of going with Rank A, unless you'd rather object to it being B. Constantine's a pretty big boi, so either works.

Also, how's everything on the sheet looking so far? I've already got plans for the Church, but for Constantinople, I was thinking of some sort of base-of-operations type Noble Phantasm. I'm fine with just the Church though.


I think that an A-Rank on that skill would be reserved to some pretty Super Star status Rulers, if you understand me. People like the really most known and beloved Saints in the world like Saint Peter, Paul, Martha and, especially Georgius (the true best Saint). Two Command Seals per Servant is probably going to be more than enough in a Servant only party.

Also, I'd say that a Church, or rather a Cathedral/Basilica (if he has any linked to his name) is a more fitting NP. A whole city is too expansive and would be most likely a Reality Marble which will end up requiring some extra level of of writing to justify, given the nature of Reality Marbles. A building, on the other hand, would be just like Nero's and Elizabeth's NPs so it's pretty much more easy to write and justify.

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I'd personally recommend avoiding genuine Divine Spirits to begin with. Their manifestation's different system-wise than how Servants are manifested, as you see during a certain scene in Extella, the method BB used to obtain their value data was well outside the standard fare, and it also leads to a significant balancing hurdle.

Mother Goddesses have their Authorities of creation and destruction going on, which is pretty nice, but unless you're counting the likes of Tiamat or the nameless goddess, a big reason they're so scary in the Moon Cell is because Divine Spirits are just flat-out terrifying in the Moon Cell relative to how they are in the material world.

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With that said, you have the mortal equivalents of some Divine Spirits present in the Sakura Five, for instance Bryn in the case of Lip, who (I assume, but you'd want to check with the GM juuust to be safe) should be fine, since they don't have the same scale of stuff going on!


I agree with you that deities with command over Authorities are really too powerful. But a "downgraded" version like the Sakura Five, Orion/Artemis, Medusa (in all forms) and her sisters, are perfectly ok if a player accepts some compromises.
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PS:

I should mention that because I'm trying to follow my own view of what a good Fate RP should strive to be, this whole game is going to be a pretty experimental stuff. I'm not 100% I can make this work, but I'll at least try, and hope to have the cooperation of anyone applying so that we can all have a good time.

Anyway, I have to stop paying attention to this for a while again. I'll probably have the OOC up when I'm back later today or tomorrow, so be looking forward to it.

PPS:

You can leave more questions while I'm out. I'll reply to them when I'm back, of course.
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Technically since we don't have the 'humans' pseudo servants would instead be manifested as their full selfs would they not? Which means we get True Ishtar (as an alter ego)



Finally wouldn't the 'extinction' of humans completely ruin the human half the counterforce? Unless of course that half is so reduced that its now clinging onto a servant container for existence.

Questions questions.

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I already have Constantine's church NP drafted, so it's only the matter of polishing it at this time, though I must ask what the classifications of spiritual bodies are in the Moon Cell, and if anti-spirit capabilities are still as effective as they are within a standard Holy Grail War. The Church he built is what is essentially the holiest place in Christendom, where Jesus was crucified and buried/resurrected, and I had it drafted to do some crazy effects~

As for Constantine's status as a Saint, I do think he meets the qualifications of being a Superstar Saint. He's considered to be the Thirteenth Apostle due to his contributions to Christianity, which I dove into in his Backstory, and his status as a Saint is unquestioned.
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