I guess I'll stick to Rawk's original version.

The first one allows to hit/penetrate anything that might considered untouchable. Second one is more or less wikipedia/googling stuff on steroids but with esoteric mysticism based on the idea of collective knowledge

Okay, he's approved.

> The first one allows to hit/penetrate anything that might considered untouchable. > > Second one is more or less wikipedia/googling stuff on steroids but with esoteric mysticism based on the idea of collective knowledge Chell and Runner are both "untouchable". (lol, pervy joke)

I don't get it.

> I don't get it. Apparently, Belwicket mentally translates all instances of "touch" into "grope" or possibly "molest".

But there's no form of wit, tact, wordplay, or even a punchline.

We should all show some sympathy towards Belwicket, IncredibleBee; one can only imagine what a hellish existence it must be, accidentally molesting your tablet because you misinterpreted the directions, or getting weird looks after attempting to massage your boss' feet because he said he wanted to "touch base".

Guys, that last blast was supposed to actually do stuff to the avatars, you know. It wasn't just to be dramatic. I can understand Ajax holding fast, but the others should have actually felt something there.

How were we supposed to know that? You haven't been setting a very good example insofar as no-selling stuff goes. See, like your last post, the "Ganondorf just being able to magically fuse himself back together _despite the fact that the source of his magic powers has just been cut off_, and logically that would mean he can't magically repair himself" thing. That gives the impression that rampant no-selling is the norm here. And then on the other team we have Samus taking not a single scratch while she can apparently just use her godlike pimp-handing prowess to toss Volvagia around the room, and then noting that Link isn't allowed to do anything at all because NO NO IT ALREADY RAN AWAY ARROWS DON'T WORK. It's like your idea of "challenge" is forcing people to shamelessly godmode because declaring your actions does nothing while you're expected to take hits from the big scary bad guy despite the bad guy getting to totally ignore everything you do without any explanation as to why. Making invincible bosses would be acceptable if you were to make it, say, a puzzle or gimmick boss, but this is just a dickwaving contest.

Oh, and before you try to go "oh it _is_ a puzzle my CD-I games say only the Master Sword can kill Ganon!", I'd like to point out that it's that's **Ganon**, the pigman, not **Ganondorf**, the fantasy arab guy, and that nothing says that "unkillable by" = "cannot be effected by at all". Destruction of equipment and probably also dismemberment would still be totally kosher even if the unkillability _did_ apply to Ganondorf- which, again, it does not.

You do know Ganon's been killed with weapons besides the Master Sword, right?

Silver Arrows.

Look, guys, one of my goals with these two bosses is to get a feel for how the characters will be played in combat. I'm still working the kinks out. If I have to specify whether something actually could do harm or couldn't, I will. I thought since it affected a solid object (the walls and ceiling), it would be obvious that it was intended to do actual harm. As for the whole Master Sword deal, it's not because of lore, it's strictly a new addition to add challenge. For one, Ganondorf is, as Bee noted, unaware of the Master Sword being able to harm him. Two, they actually have it there. If it weren't present, I'd have not included that detail. As for Samus, if you refer to her sheet she has greatly enhanced strength both from genetic enhancements and augmentation from being in a suit of power armor. Both Rawk and Link got off without a scratch as well, so I'm not sure how Samus not getting hit is an issue. If you guys will have waited, I had a whole sequence with Samus planned that involved some very heavy damage (to Samus, not to Volvagia) for the next post.

(Stupid shit computer forcing me to double post) Anyway, it's gonna have to wait a while. I can't think straight at the moment for some reason, so I simply can't come up with Ganondorf's next phase's first actions quite yet.

> We should all show some sympathy towards Belwicket, IncredibleBee; one can only imagine what a hellish existence it must be, accidentally molesting your tablet because you misinterpreted the directions, or getting weird looks after attempting to massage your boss' feet because he said he wanted to "touch base". Very funny. I had just woke up and that's the first thing i thought of.

Okay Kal your debate tactics are just- I don't even know how to describe them. I'll just give you a checklist of points and which ones you addressed. - **Key: O - Addressed, X - Not Addressed, ~ - Partially Addressed** - 1a. ~ (How were we supposed to know) - 1b. X (You and coGM have been setting a poor example) - 1c. X (Example: Ganondorf regenerating despite lacking the means to regenerate) - 2a. ~ (Samus is the only one who can do anything apparently) - 2b. X (Example: Volvagia is immune to (arrows) or flat out does not acknowledge (Omega stabbing it) some attacks with no explanation as to why) - 3a. X (Your idea of "challenge" is fucked) - 3b. X (Example: If you don't autohit your attacks do NOTHING, see Omega) - 4a. X (If it was a puzzle or gimmick boss this would be acceptable) - 4b. X ("Use sword on man" is not a puzzle) - 5a. O (Ganondorf is not immune to regular swords) - 5b. X (If he was immune to regular swords his equipment still wouldn't be immune) 3/11 points addressed. Furthermore, your evidence was shoddy (There was absolutely no way to tell that that attack wasn't for dramatic effect and even if it did you've been setting an awful benchmark for no-selling; additionally "I was planning on Samus getting beaten up"? Really? You can't use things you "had planned out" as evidence, especially when there's no evidence of you having planned it out). As for counterpoints: - How are you planning to see how all of us fight if _only one of us is allowed to fight because Master Sword_. - I don't remember Samus being able to just barehand people to death even in the games - Furthermore how the hell can Samus get hurt by fire she has Varia. - Actively preventing all but one person from fighting is lame as hell even if it is for "challenge". - The issue isn't "Samus not getting hurt", it's "only allowing Samus to do anything"

Is Kalamadea still alive? I expected at least one post today.

> Okay Kal your debate tactics are just- I don't even know how to describe them. I'll just give you a checklist of points and which ones you addressed. > > - **Key: O - Addressed, X - Not Addressed, ~ - Partially Addressed** > - 1a. ~ (How were we supposed to know) > - 1b. X (You and coGM have been setting a poor example) > - 1c. X (Example: Ganondorf regenerating despite lacking the means to regenerate) > - 2a. ~ (Samus is the only one who can do anything apparently) > - 2b. X (Example: Volvagia is immune to (arrows) or flat out does not acknowledge (Omega stabbing it) some attacks with no explanation as to why) > - 3a. X (Your idea of "challenge" is fucked) > - 3b. X (Example: If you don't autohit your attacks do NOTHING, see Omega) > - 4a. X (If it was a puzzle or gimmick boss this would be acceptable) > - 4b. X ("Use sword on man" is not a puzzle) > - 5a. O (Ganondorf is not immune to regular swords) > - 5b. X (If he was immune to regular swords his equipment still wouldn't be immune) > > 3/11 points addressed. Furthermore, your evidence was shoddy (There was absolutely no way to tell that that attack wasn't for dramatic effect and even if it did you've been setting an awful benchmark for no-selling; additionally "I was planning on Samus getting beaten up"? Really? You can't use things you "had planned out" as evidence, especially when there's no evidence of you having planned it out). As for counterpoints: > > - How are you planning to see how all of us fight if _only one of us is allowed to fight because Master Sword_. > - I don't remember Samus being able to just barehand people to death even in the games > - Furthermore how the hell can Samus get hurt by fire she has Varia. > - Actively preventing all but one person from fighting is lame as hell even if it is for "challenge". > - The issue isn't "Samus not getting hurt", it's "only allowing Samus to do anything" > Hold up, how'd I get dragged into this argument. I had my character do one action in that aformentioned battle against volvagia. That the effect was not recognized/non- effective is not my fault. What, should I have power played and said "lol firederpdragon dies, sharts a sparkling Edward Cullen making love to the plot coupon."? And as for the other one, I had chaos try to interfere, and he got headlocked by the local powerhouse. Alpha is simply waiting out till the one whom opted to one on one a boss with allies present decides he wants help. So, please, prostagma, tell me, how I, in not power playing, allowing and acknowledging other rper's actions, and certainly not godmodding, not to mention accounting for All my characters..yes, please do enlighten on how I am setting a bad example.

Still here, yes. Supervisor's catching on to me using the break room computer like this, so I can't do checks as often during work. This won't be an issue when I get a phone. As for the above, I did explain why Volvagia couldn't be hit, because there's solid rock between Link and Volvagia. I specifically said she's *burrowing* through the rock in the walls and ceiling. Unless Link's arrows pierce rock, they can't hit her. As for Ganondorf, if Ajax had assisted he has an ability allowing him to overpower magic through brute strength, and since magic is protecting Ganondorf, I'll let you figure it out. I am well and truly trying to run this RP well. If it's not enough for you, then leave. I'd rather resolve your issues, but if my efforts aren't enough then I don't know how I can help. As it happens Omega's attacks had completely slipped my mind. If I'd remembered, I'd have definitely noted the effects they had. It's happened before, and Grand is definitely not complaining, nor is Rawk complaining about the Knights' failure to hit Volvagia. And you do realize the Varia Suit only negates environmental heat, right? Fire attacks still harm her just fine.